A few years back, I loaded 50 grain vmax in a 40x 222 rem mag and it shot lights out. Bullets were kinda tuf to find at the time, but I found a few 500 round zmax boxes for a decent price. The accuracy on the zmax did not compare to the red tipped vmax. The vmax were quite a bit older though. A few gopher shooters told me accuracy slipped during the Obama years due to production demand. Just my expierence.