I cleaned up both times with out help because I wanted to. I realised the heroin was a killer and went cold turkey by myself. The whiskey- I was either going to dump it or watch my wonderful wife suffer until I lost her. Powerful motivater.

You're right. I'm down right cold on the subject. If I wanted to destroy my life, that was my business but I had no right to destroy her's. One day, instead of stopping to buy the quart I consummed daily, I drove past the liquer store. Never felt a need since.

Cold? Yeah. Those who poison and destroy all around should be destroyed. And yes, I include myself during that period.

'Lonzo