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Campfire 'Bwana
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Hard to argue with most of the article, centered on this: "LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident Contemporary projectiles (since 2007) have dramatically increased the terminal effectiveness of many premium line law enforcement projectiles (emphasis on the 9mm Luger offerings) 9mm Luger now offers select projectiles which are, under identical testing conditions, I outperforming most of the premium line .40 S&W and .45 Auto projectiles tested by the FBI 9mm Luger offers higher magazine capacities, less recoil, lower cost (both in ammunition and wear on the weapons) and higher functional reliability rates (in FBI weapons) The majority of FBI shooters are both FASTER in shot strings fired and more ACCURATE with shooting a 9mm Luger vs shooting a .40 S&W (similar sized weapons) There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto Given contemporary bullet construction, LEO’s can field (with proper bullet selection) 9mm Lugers with all of the terminal performance potential of any other law enforcement pistol caliber with none of the disadvantages present with the “larger” calibers"
There is also this: "The 9mm provides struggling shooters the best chance of success while improving the speed and accuracy of the most skilled shooters"
So what is your 9mm ammo of choice? . The article is not centered on any one thing. It's a determination based on the totality of the study. Speer Gold Dot's 147gr. I misspoke, should have said "I" centered on those things, but they are indeed central to the argument and yes the conclusion makes sense. ..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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Re: Now That .40 S&W Has Lost Favor, What's The Fire's Opion On 9m vs .45 ACP For Daily Carry?
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