Thanks for the info on the 25-20 every one! I'm not terribly concerned about the price of the ammo as I plan to cast and reload for it now that I have brass. 86 gr hardcast should be easy on fur, yet penetrate good enough for wolves at closer ranges. Caught 3 marten and a beaver yesterday, as well as a lynx the day before. The lynx was badly cannibalised so no picture unfortunately. Found where a wolf pack hit the North end of my lake yesterday. There are several well used trails going back into the timber, and 5-6 beds out on the ice. Looks like the might have a kill in there somewhere. We are going to snowshoe in there today and snare it up good. I'll let you guys know what we find.