I tend to agree with you George on all counts. My experience being almost completely limited to pheasants and prairie grouse. Although I do truthfully claim to have shot a double on my first two ruffed grouse ever.
I've said this before and will say it again here, #4's on pheasants are generally much more dangerous to the others in Fred's party than they are to the pheasants. Ol' Fred can't shoot well enough to put the #4's to use at the ranges they become necessary.
