Most of my 16's are older guns with tight chokes, for the first shot I use shells loaded with fiber and nitro card wads 6's or 5's for grouse and pheasants ,it gives me a better open pattern under 30 yds. 2nd barrel or next shell up is one with plastic wads for tighter pattern. I have some 7 1/2's loaded for dove ,I never use them on bigger birds because I get damned tired of shooting up my eating. That Herter 1 1/8 oz of 5's is a good load that is inexpensive, the Fiocchi's are top notch.MB
