My very first attempt/beginning to reload was with a stock Mod 77 .280, a Wards 3x9 ( made by Tasco); and once fired Remington brass, 9 1/2 primer, Hornady 139sp, IMR 4831 (all assembled with a LEE Class Loader) I worked up in 1/2 grain increments from 53 and hit paydirt at 55gr. I had a 3 shot, triangle that measured 1", I was ecstatic! This was in 1977 and the "best" it shot the 150 factory load was 1 3/4-2". I killed a nice buck with that load...at 15yds, ha. The next Fall ( after shooting all summer) the 139gr allowed me to hit another nice buck at 276 looong steps! Amazing! Even today, I have had rifles that shoot well under 1", if a rifle "consistently" shoots 1 1/4", I know I have an accurate rifle/load. Less is nice, but no way I can take advantage of it, I just strive for it....it "please me", but certainly not needed for my hunting style. I do understand the "need" for one hole accuracy for what I call "Ultra Long Range" (500-1000K). But there are not that many bonafide 500-1000K shooters/hitters. I've shot an 8" howitzer a gazillion times out to +10 miles...but I didn't always "hit" on first round! smile

Last edited by Jim_Knight; 08/17/19.