I bought my son a kimber hunter 84m in 308. I put a Burris ffII 4X16 on it. It shot easy five shot group at 3/8 inch at 100 yards with Federal blue box. I ended up keeping that one as a fluke and bought him another one that is the same set up that shoots about 3/4 inch at 100 yards with the same ammo. He likes it and takes it moose hunting. I have been pretty happy with my Barrett and Fierce rifles but its nice to have a bull pen of brush rifles that I can take and not worry about beating up.