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Had Most Of Them All.. And For Me Nothing Beats The Swarovski's 3-10-42 With 4A..Most Of The Time, Its Dark When I Go In The Woods And Dark When I come Out..I Prefer The AV's To The Z-3's. Have Several Of Both. Seems The Light Doesn't Wash The Cross Hairs Out On The Older AV's. And They Can Be Mounted In Low's On a LA Mountain Rifle.. The Z3 Can Not..