I have a Winchester model 12, 16 gauge from 1953 and an Ithaca 1938 model 37 Skeet 16 gauge. Both well made guns and both 26 inch barrels but I much prefer the Ithaca. It balances like an English double and I shoot it as well as any of my O/U's. That doesn't take anything away from the model 12. It's a great gun and I'd love to find one of the heavy ducks with a 32 inch solid rib. But as an upland gun I prefer my Ithaca 16 or my Browning Lightning Citori 16.


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