If I wanted more .17 than a Hummer, I'd get a Hornet. Since my "need" for one was targets, I got a cheap Mach2. Half-inch rise over 100 yards works fine for me. The non-standard case and need for a powerful primer strike keeps some makers out I believe.
Have a real Hornet and a .223 if anything needs killin'. Still might get a Hummer for the accuracy if my Mach2 doesn't pan out. Still a work in progress.
