Despite their dated design, and the same weird trigger they have had since the beginning, the G19 and G17 and other full size glocks do enough of what they need to do, and do it very reliably that one has a hard time saying they suck. Off the couch so to speak I could care less if I get a glock wet, dirty, if its uncleaned for years, its going to work. On the couch so to speak I guess the 1911's are nicer to look at and show your friends.