Crap! I have been killing everything with a 222. I am going to have to move up a step in gun to the 223. I killed a mule deer one time at 402 yds. Most shots now are 50 to 100 yd neck shots. As I have stated before, my boys and I have killed somewhere around 3 doz. white tails with the rem 788 222. I also killed a large 180" mule deer with it in the early 90s. He was about 120 to 150 yds. Never took a step.