Thanks guys. Nice bull sourdough! I will be chrono graphing those 270/300 WM loads next time I'm out. Both 300's have Burris scopes with the Ballistic Plex hash marks ( I'm comfortable with that system, not a turret twister, too OCD to mess with it once zeroed where I want, ha) The winMag has the Timberline 4.5x14 AO and the WSM has the Fullfield II. Both have proven themselves on several hard kickers. I have the little Vortex 1.5x8 on the 270. Its been a good one, so far.