I wish I hadn't missed out on the live liner versions, they would work well for the couple times a year we target bull reds in the Neuse/Pamlico. The 6000/7' MH combo I got was well worth the $50 and I am tempted to get another just because. Hard to find a metal body reel of that size for that kind of money, much less with a decent rod attached. I think the Fierce IIs can be upgraded to the HT-100 drag washers if one wanted.