I witnessed a 162 grain ELDX used on an elk at 60 yards out of a 7 rem mag. Speed 2850 at muzzle. Shot hit the scapula and splashed. Elk fell over and got up and ran away. Hunting partner came and got me and we followed up on it. Without good snow we would have not found the elk. We tracked it for 1/2 mile with zero blood. Found it bedded--40 yards. He shot it 3 more time to finish it---thu the lungs. None of the bullets passed thru. Was a rag horn bull. Later that year he shot a mule deer buck and had to shoot it multiple times. He was on a guided hunt. The guide asked what he was shooting for bullets.. 162ELDX. He said you are the 4th hunter this year that has had to shoot a buck multiple times with the ELDX bullets. I know another guy who shot a elk and it took 5 rounds to put him down. He will not use the ELDX again either. I don't know if those earlier bullets were not up to the job or if they have changed but they won't be in any gun it shoot.