The next thing someone will probably post on this thread is "The reason Nightforce does not offer a #4 on their scopes is because the number of people hear on 24 hour bitching about it, is just a very tiny percentage of the people buying scopes" Well, I say, maybe not really. There may just be a significent "Silent Minority" out there that that just don't do forums, that would also buy a Nightforce scope if they were available with the #4 reticle. Just say'n. RJ