Great guy, very unassuming, not very big. Obviously this was way after his playing days were over, but his stature was such that, knowing how long he played, you immediately knew he was a badass.
Ernie Holmes of steel curtain fame was there too and he was a monster, also a really nice guy. A bunch of old beat up guys actually.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
