I had one in .30-30 for a number of years. It carried a 4x scope. I could usually get 5 shots of factory Winchester 150 grain ammo under 2 inches at 100 yards off a bench. Occasionally, I'd get groups of 1-1/4", but they were not the usual result. In any event, the rifle shot well inside the "minute of deer" requirement for which the rifle was used and I did kill a nice 7 point whitetail with it. I wish I hadn't sold it, but something else whispered in my ear and it went down the road to partially fund the whisperer. They are solid, very basic rifles which were a good deal more attractive than the various H&R and clones of those H&Rs that were a more modern version.