I ended up getting these with my 20 bore Virginia smooth rifle (Top flinter) a while back while hunting with son and grandson. Using volume for volume powder shot.

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Founder
Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester

"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."

WS