I bought Zeiss HD scope that was represented as NIB. Paid half of the new retail price. Scope wouldn't hold zero out of the box. I am not sure if it was an honest mistake, but I don't think so. I took advantage of the Zeiss lifetime warranty (with full disclosure to Zeiss), and Zeiss offered me a full retail refund, which I used to buy a new Zeiss V6 scope resulting in a truly brand new upgraded scope for half off. I came out about $750 ahead on the deal. I'd be happy to get "ripped off" like that anytime.