I believe EK called it the Peter's Blue Nose? Anyway, you simply cannot make a boat-tail, plastic tipped 220gr. 30 cal that will stabilize in most 30 cal 1-10/1-12 twist barrels, nor can you get 3,000+ fps, even in magnums, and everyone knows you need a premium, $1-2 apiece bullet with high energy figures to kill anything. Those bullets are obsolete, and we are much smarter and better hunters than our forefathers! grin In order to kill its meat damage, not holes through vital organs, that kill. laugh