Speaking of Rifle loads that work. JB did an update with some newer powders for the 6.5 Creed in October issue of Handloader. Big thank you JB, used your load for the 120 ttsx and StaBall powder with both my Tikka t3 and my Browning hells canyon liked the load immediately. Normally do my own load work up but with the price of components and there scarcity these days you sure got me where I wanted to go dang inexpensively...mb

" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "