Interested in this thread as I have been in touch with a couple Griffon breeders and there is a litter due in Jan. Also was talking with a Pudelpointer breeder but think the wife likes the griffs better. Have a 6 mo old golden that I will not hunt so the griff will be my hunter almost all game farm birds since wild birds (grouse and the occasional woodcock) and small game here in general on public land is slim pickin's. Grouse populations are so low the later winter season has been closed past couple years with no signs of changing for the near future.