I had my 8 year old with me opening day Had 2 doe walk right up the logging road in front of me and stopped and stared at me. 8 year old started shaking when she saw her I had no intentions of shootinga deer at 7 am on opening day especially in those woods. but she was almost pleading saying daddy please shoot a deer. so a single 140 gr Partiton from my 280 sealed the deal