Sorry guys, I didnt see the Ti wasnt available in the 25-06 until after I posted. I dont think it would be too hard to get a barrel for the gun in 25-06AI would it? Take the brand new barrel off never having a round chamberd and sell it on here or someplace to help cover the cost. Anyways just an idea.
I will use the .243 action though now that I know it is able for these rounds. I am very much leaning towards the 25-.284. Sounds like alot of you have experience with this load. What velocities are you seeing with 100Gr bullets? Are there any feeding problems with this round at all? That fact has me a bit nervous to do a .257 WSM.
Mr. Sisk I will be in contact with you soon to see if we can work something out on this. Thanks for your reply.
Now for those of you that think that those shots that I mentiond are not possible. think again. They did happen, I saw them with my own eyes and they were not LRF assisted either. Hard to beleive I know but it happend. I know the distances now because last year we had some spare time on the hunt and rode the horses over to where the shots happend and Lazerd them with the finder. The 628 yard shot was on a good sized cow and the 583 yard shot was on a 5 point Rag horn bull. They were both from the same spot and the bull was in a clearing that was obviously a lil closer. It was 2 years after the cow and knowing the shot he made and how he made it on the cow he new he could hit the bull. Both were between 7:30 and 8 in the morning and were dead calm. Thats one of the beauties of where we hunt, if it is a clear day there is hardly ever even a breeze in the mornings. We would never even consider a shot like that if they werent calm days.
On that, I myself do not have the confidence he does and would not take a shot that far. I have taken a cow at 385 yards with my STW and it wasnt hard at all, aimed mid chest heigth, squeezed the trigger and she fell dead on the spot with a beautiful 3" exit hole out the back side and her lungs were pudding. The gun I want I do want to be able to reach out to 400 yards as that would be the maximum yardage I would dare with the gun. If I am in these normal spots though I would not have that gun I would have the STW. I also use a Bipod and shoot in the Sitting match position with the STW when I shoot if possible. Most of the time we hunt by being set up to watch drainages and ridges before daylight and shoot from there. Funny how you know these spots when you have hunted the area for 30 years like my Dad and freinds have. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
I just called him to see if he rememberd how he held on the two shots. He said it was pretty simple actually. He held the horizontal crosshair even with the top of their heads and the verticle crosshair with the back of the front legs and shoulder. He said the bull at first had his head down so he had to wait for it to lift it's head before he lined up the shot and took it. He said the main thing was that there was a tree( which there is) that was downd and he was sitting behind it using it as a dead rest. With the Elk as far off as they were they had no idea we were there and were just feeding and calm. he knew he had plenty of time to take the shot and was patient until the shot presented it'self. I remember that and thought it took him forever to shoot. I will say that I know these shots are not the norm and I dont think I have seen him take many others that were past about 400 yards.
As far as the guy that said we must lose alot of game, I take extreme offense to that remark!! We beleive in bullet placement not just put it on the shoulder and pull. The way we hunt we often have very good shot opportunities and place the bullets exactly where they are to be, right behind the front shoulder. We lost one Cow that Dad shot at about 275 yards. She was hit hard and I went looking for her along with everyone else. I was about 10 at the time and luck be it, I found her and had no gun. We thought she was for sure dead but when I approached her she jumped up and ran off into the timber. we searched for her for 2 days and never found her. We hunted for a full week after that and watched for the tale tale sighns, like Crows and Magpies and listend for a concentration of Coyotes at night and never seen a thing. The only other animal that was a near loss was my first Antelope. I had a good dead rest and he was about 175 yards off or so and I had the crosshairs exactly where they were supposed to be. I shot and his hind end dropped like a rock. I shot him right through the hind quarters. We chased the buck a better part of 2 miles till I finally came to a hill top and he was laying at the bottom with his head up about 20 yards below me, I put the crosshairs right below the back of his head and shot him dead. I almost quit hunting due to the incodent. If it werent for the fact that the Redfeild WA scope I had on my 25-06 had a broken crooshair I probably would have. It broke my heart to see that Antelope dragging himself to get away. My dad was a few ridges over watching a small heard so he wasnt there to follow up the shot. I would have had him do it if he would have been there to end its suffering even if it meant I could get into trouble. After my Dad found the broken crosshair, I was so mad I took the scope outside and slamed into a brick wall. For that reason, even though they may be good scopes I will never buy another Redfeild. The following year I spent more time at the range than I ever have in my life. I was never again going to put an animal thru that. I never have again to date either. We take our hunting seriously and never drink while hunting or anything. We always pray after each kill to thank the good Lord for providing us with a fine animal and good food on our tables. Too bad more people dont take the time to learn their weapons and give the repect to hunting these fine game that they deserve. Some guys are the type that say crap like ," hey it was a long shot and i hit it, I thought that was pretty good just to hit it!" Those kind are the kind I would like to slap!!
Sorry this is so long but I had alot to say and clear up. I feel there are some great guys here and look forward to many more great discusions and learning from you all in time.
P.S. The load he shot the Elk with was 73Gr. of Winchester 780 Ball powder shooting a 100 gr. Nosler Solid Base boat tail spitser(discontinued to our sorrow 8 or so years back)using the Federal 215 mag primer in a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe with 26" barrel. Now due to the discontinued powder he has switched to a very hot load of Reloader 22 at 74.6 Gr. and for the first time this year he is giving the Sierra Game King 100 gr. SPBT a try due to running out of the Noslers. Anyone care to run that thru your calculator to see what he could expect with this load? I would much appreciate it.
Again thank you to you all that have contributed to helping me find a new rifle that will surely be impressive.
