Some good tips here guys thanks.
I killed one bird w/ #6 pheasant load out of my 20 ga. w/ a modified choke, but she was at 30 yds. on a fall season. So not much of a test for anything.
Maybe I should start to look into 3 1/2" again. I tried it in the past and as I said before, it didn't impress me none. It wasn't htl though either.
My seasons starts tomorrow, and ends on Sunday, so after that, I can work on some loads and see what she likes.
Thanks again, good stuff here.