Cal, I have killed 7 or 8 bulls and a couple of truck loads of mule deer with 140 grain ballistic tips shot out of various 7mm mags. Only one bull took a step and that was because I muffed the shot wink I have total faith in the bullet, especially at 7mm-08 velocities. But, everyone requires different characteristics out of their bullets. Some INSIST on an exit hole, others insist on perfect mushroomed bullets inside somewhere, others want massive internal destruction (me). Flinch


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