true, even my old tc new englander was a cheek slapper. No where near as bad as the tc hawken i had. holy mother that thing was horrible for smacking you right under the eye socket. I think i fired a total of 2 or 3 shots before i cleaned it and resold it LOL.
Now you have the answer to "Swampy" recommending 60 grs. powder for Elk...That is all the recoil he can stand.
