GeoW - besides the issues of cheap Chinese labor and Union/Non-Union you've mentioned: one more thing. The Chinese will build anything to your specification(s) for the agreed upon price. BUT then they'll turn around COPY and counter-feit your product. You'll see your brand sold for less, have unexplained customer quality complaints until you learn you've been HAD. Leaves you wondering if going 'off-shore' was worth it. Homesteader