Shrike, how long did it take you to figure out that you weren't happy with out-of-box rifles? <P>You probably were satisfied with them until you experienced a nice, crisp trigger pull and noticed the way it improved your shooting. Now you have to have trigger jobs with all new guns, right?<P>My point is you won't be sorry for getting high quality stuff. If you don't like bowhunting, you can re-sell it. If you start with bottom-rung stuff, you won't get the experience you deserve.<P>I say to buy quality, even if it's second hand. From then on you can put your money into actual hunts, not into better tackle.<P>Good luck. By the way, if I had to do it all over again, I would start with a Mathews MQ32 and a good release. That's where I am now and where I plan to stay.<P>Keep pullin' Talus