I have 5 7X57's in the gun room a couple of #1A's and a 700 Mountain Rifle have seen the most use as our Michigan woods rifles for 15 yrs between the wife, sister and I. I loaded 140gr Game Kings at 2500-2600 for the girls and 140 PT's at 2800 for myself, both with H4350. They were all boringly effective....30 or so kills over 15 yrs. Never caught a bullet at our short ranges (under 125 yds. Haven't used one in 10 yrs now...writing this may make me dig one back out for this season....