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In World War II they drafted millions of misfits and dumbfuggs. Who collectively became the Greatest Generation.
Hell, yes, I'm in favor of universal service. Either military or something equally rigorous. You have no appreciation for what you've been born to if you do not fight for it or suffer for it. Good words, and food for thought Rocky. Thanks.
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I believe some form of national service would help instill some sense of "pride of ownership".
It wouldn't have to be military service. Could be anything along the lines of community service. Fighting wildfire, helping the old folks, maintaining public places, cleaning up trash on the highways, etc, etc.
I wouldn't make it mandatory though.
But, I would make it mandatory to earn the right to vote.
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Why should any American feel a responsibility to serve the government any more than is already obligatory?
The government already eats about half of a person's earning capacity in the way of taxes. And they want more than that?
I'm not gay. I'm not a feminist. I'm not an illegal immigrant. I don't collect welfare.
To sum up, I'm not represented by the current ruling structure. Why should I have a sense of responsibility to a government that lights the White House up like a rainbow to celebrate homosexuality and tells me that, as a southerner, I'm to be demonized for displaying a symbol of my heritage?
Nah,...I ain't feelin' it. First off, you're way too old. I'm talking about the under 25 demographic.  The under 25 demographic needs to be educated about the corruption of our current form of government. Not asked to be a slave to it.
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Getting paid to do a service for your country, one where folks gain some job experience and maybe a little sense of responsibility is akin to slavery?
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Getting paid to do a service for your country, one where folks gain some job experience and maybe a little sense of responsibility is akin to slavery? If it's not voluntary, it's slavery.
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It one of those things that sound good until you spend 10 seconds thinking how screwed up a highly politicized program that had 5 million unwilling participants payed, housed, clothed and fed on the government tit would be.
The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge
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I believe some form of national service would help instill some sense of "pride of ownership".
It wouldn't have to be military service. Could be anything along the lines of community service. Fighting wildfire, helping the old folks, maintaining public places, cleaning up trash on the highways, etc, etc.
I wouldn't make it mandatory though.
But, I would make it mandatory to earn the right to vote. I don't believe that being born here, and having a pulse, should be the only requirements to have a voice in elected government........that isn't working.
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I would like to see mandatory national service, with physical/mental health and criminal exclusions, to start between ages eighteen and nineteen or upon graduation from high school. Something like the Civilian Conservation Corps that would provide low cost labor for the Department of the Interior in areas like National Forest Service and BLM. Make it an eighteen month cycle; three months of training, two months of vacation, and thirteen months of labor. The kids would learn some valuable life lessons/skills and would, IMO, be more mature and better prepared to go forward in their lives.
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I would like to see mandatory national service, with physical/mental health and criminal exclusions, to start between ages eighteen and nineteen or upon graduation from high school. Something like the Civilian Conservation Corps that would provide low cost labor for the Department of the Interior in areas like National Forest Service and BLM. Make it an eighteen month cycle; three months of training, two months of vacation, and fifteen months of labor. The kids would learn some valuable life lessons/skills and would, IMO, be more mature and better prepared to go forward in their lives. This, as well as what RR and MTMarine is what I was sort of kicking about in my head. Just looking at so many of the young folks these days, it's a scary thing to think of what's in store in the next couple/few decades. I'm seriously worried for the future of this nation.
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I'm seriously worried for the future of this nation. ,..and implementing slavery is going to fix it?
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The situation we have now is why the inmates are running the asylum.
It's really sad.
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The situation we have now is why the inmates are running the asylum.
Mandatory service to the government would only give the inmates more power.
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I'm seriously worried for the future of this nation. ,..and implementing slavery is going to fix it? I'm not for mandatory service or 'slavery'. But I am for earning the right to vote.
Last edited by MontanaMarine; 06/28/15.
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I'm seriously worried for the future of this nation. ,..and implementing slavery is going to fix it? I'm not for mandatory service or 'slavery'. But I am for earning the right to vote. so,...30 million illegal immigrants sign on to do 2 years of service in exchange for the right to vote. They need a job, anyway. Then what?
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Earning the right to vote would not have to be anything so difficult/impossible.
Just the requirement to give SOMETHING of yourself to the greater good, to have a voice in the big decisions.
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A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Just the requirement to give SOMETHING of yourself to the greater good, to have a voice in the big decisions.
But you're assuming that service to a government that lights up the White House in rainbow colors to celebrate homosexuality is contributing to the greater good. If the government isn't a positive influence, service to the government isn't a positive influence.
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I'm seriously worried for the future of this nation. ,..and implementing slavery is going to fix it? I'm not for mandatory service or 'slavery'. But I am for earning the right to vote. so,...30 million illegal immigrants sign on to do 2 years of service in exchange for the right to vote. They need a job, anyway. Then what? That's rich. I'm not talking about illegal immigrants. If the voters had some 'pride of ownership', we would not have 30 million illegal immigrants.
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,...and our current government damn sure isn't a positive influence.
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The demographics and entitlement attitude would not support it.
I like the ideas of service in Heinlein's Starship Troopers but todays politicians would turn it into National Socialism (in fact, they already have.)
Whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
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