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Yet you think mandatory service to them is a good idea.

The tipping point is ancient history. The best we can seek to do is stave off the insatiable hunger of tyranny in hopes that a few of us can maintain the freedom to raise up wise children. Their opportunity to put them into slavery has already been conceived: it's called National Debt.

Not all of them by any means. Many did not even make it through basic training , discharged for "nonadapability" homosexuality, alcoholism, flat feet, bed wetting, etc, etc. Dumfuggery was not an automatic discharge, as we know from all the soldiers who needed someone else to write their letters home for them.

I served in the military under both the draft and the all-volunteer, there is simply no comparison in the quality of the people who now serve, and an "up or out" promotion system gets rid of the homesteaders in short order.

Can't imagine it NOT becoming a 21st century version of Hitler Youth.

What's that saying about remembering history?

I forget but at least I clearly am not the only one .

So service to/reeducation by country is more valuable than actual contributions to the economy?

How about if only net contributors to the funding of the gov't through taxation are allowed to vote? That seems wiser that allowing the govt to reeducate us before we can vote don't ya think?

Sorriness has become over populated. These sorry bastards need to be tasked to do something for their room and board.

Military service NO! Nothing more than polishing good men's boots. But at least put them to work to keep them out of the sack.

It's the only choice other than cutting welfare programs and letting them starve to death or becoming more animal like than they already are, and obeying the law of the jungle.

It's a vicious cycle and must be broken at some point. We can no longer afford to keep them.

Quit reading your own prejudices into what I wrote based on your own idea of what "national service" means.

Kamo gari asked if we would support mandatory service. I do not support mandatory national service. Are we clear so far?

As to eliminating universal suffrage, I am 100% in favor of that and would be glad to entertain any number of ideas of how to accomplish that. In this case I was limiting my remarks to the one in the original post - nothing more.

So back the f*ck off and quit trying to put words in my mouth.

So how exactly would giving all children over to the gov't for reeducation & training... To the same gov't that has been telling them it's ok to be dependent upon it all their lives... Make the situation BETTER?

When has a new gov't program EVER made something better?

Seriously y'all prove the assertion that neo-conservatism is militaristic Liberalism all the time. Simply astounding.

Got a problem? We have a gov't program! Said:

A) Obama

B) Statist "conservatives"

??

Things that make ya go hmmmmm.....

Sorry Jim; genuinely didn't mean to go there with you. You're someone here I respect and I apologize. My directness there was not meant to be disrespectful nor to put words in your mouth.

I do not suggest natl service necessarily equates to military service. I do, however, believe that given the sort of gov't we have that another program is a bad idea whether mandatory for purposes of citizenship or for the privileges thereof.

Taxation seems a better basis for deciding voting rights IMHO.

you just won't let anyone vote that doesn't do it

If national service makes it, I'm sending my kid to Canada. I will not have her serve this criminal regime in any way, shape, or fashion beyond paying her taxes and trying to get by. And, no, I don't think a Republican president will constitute a change of regime.

National Service mandatory... How many here believe in slavery?

Hehehe... work or starve to damn death..

I would like to see that here in Canada. I think it would make our country a better place.

Thank you, I too apologize for my angry reaction and I really appreciate your PM.


Back to the subject at hand - my main beef is with universal suffrage. The Founding Fathers knew their history and did not believe in it either. Their aim, as I understand it, was to only allow people who showed some stability and had a vested interest in electing a responsible government to participate in elections. Their solution was to only allow property owners the vote.

I'm not wedded to some form of national service as being the only avenue to suffrage but I could make a decent case for it - and remember that national service does not mean only military service although that would certainly count. And it should NEVER be mandatory. That's the whole point, only those folks willing to voluntarily give up their private lives and goals to serve their country for a period of time are allowed to participate in determining its course. The idea of only allowing taxpayers to vote has much merit as well - they earn the money to run the government, only they should be allowed to say how it is spent.

I'm sure there are other ways to skin this cat. But the underlying truism of this idea is that gifts and benefits received for free are not valued. The decision making process is one of our greatest responsibilities and it should be given only to those who have earned it in some way.

Jim,

I completely agree that universal sufferage is an anti-Constitutional idea that has wrought great havoc upon this nation. I'd add that the original method of selecting Senators which allowed them some detachment to popular whims is also vastly superior to our current practice.

That having been said, the issue at hand is one that I'm fundamentally opposed to.

I think about it this way: no matter how broadly one were to define service (ie no matter how long the list of "acceptable service organizations") it'd become politicized just like the tax code and international aid. This politicization would inevitably lead to attempts to indoctrinate. That's just the direction of gov't programs. There has never been a problem that couldn't be made worse through a gov't program.

Now attach voting rights to that "service"? You see my dilemma.

Nothing is going to cure our country's lack of individual responsibility except a re institution of family and good parenting. That will mean a reduction in the size and scope of government to allow for a reduction in the tax code so our mothers can come home and be mothers rather than out being men.

In other words it's a pipe dream.

I would have been all for it 15-20 years ago, but I fear that it would become the far lefts re-education camp wet dream run awry.

Wow back at you.

I saw where someone said that you should be able to pass a test on how government works before you can vote.

I think I might be for that.

So what would we do with the dead beat that didn't show up for their National Service?

Would we fill the fill the prisons with them?

Come do your National Service, so you can build prisons for Service Dodgers.