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Your quoting yourself NOT me! LOL OoofDa.
I take it you didn't like what you found! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Next time do a search for Toyota recalls and see if you find anything about how Toyota is slipping in QC on nearly every level and customer satisfaction is way down or how Toyota is setting new records for the most recalls in a single year.
After your done with that try a little search and you will see the 2007 Silverado is making many of the best buy lists. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

QC in a bad year for Toyota is still better than that for a good year for Chevy. So Toyota has gone from 97% to 94%. Still better than 78% for Chevy. Do your search on that. If you're into searching, then also check out to see how Toyota has become even more committed to QC now. Unlike Chevy, etc. who only make more of the poor vehicles, and doesn't worry about making things better. Do a search on Consumer Report's testing of Tundra, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge. Look at reliability and owner satisfaction surveys turned in by the owners. Toyota #1. Actually they said they liked the Chevy, but wouldn't recommend it because of the poor reliability. I like Chevy trucks, and was a GM man most of my life. At least until I found out how much better Toyota, Madza, Honda and Nissan were. If they didn't make Tundras, I'd own a Chevy truck, buttttttttttttt. A friend of mine had to take his 2 year old Chevy in to have body work done on it. The rocker panels were rusting already. Hummmmmmmmmmmm! Keep 'searching.'

Hunter01

If GM wasn't concearned about making things better the '07 Silverado wouldn't be at the top of nearly every list for Best Buys for this year. Toyota continues to lead the pack in recalls and has the most rapidly dropping rate of CONSUMER satisfaction. As some one said......Times Change.

Exactly - I was showing YOU again that I can find nothing where OBL ordered his trucks from Toyota direct.

http://hilux.toyota.com.au/toyota/vehicle/Specification/0,4668,1602_544_335,00.html

I'm surprised you guys can't get these. Would seem to be perfect. Turbo diesel and manual.

In the real outback parts of Oz, you see just about nothing but Toyotas. They don't seem to break, and when the nearest service is hundreds of miles away, that really matters.

The last GM product that I owned cost them thousands in warranty work. 6 Toyotas in a row in the family now, and not one warranty claim (even for anything minor) between them.

Three friends have Tundras that seem to be virtually trouble free while my last three gms and two fords all had issues of some kind.All three gms had leaking seals on the front axles,and two had electronics problems,while the third had a four wheel drive shift motor fail that cost me over $1000 just after the warranty expired.One ford had a rear engine seal go and the front hubs broke in the other rendering four wheel drive inoperative.My 2007 tundra is already on order.

http://hilux.toyota.com.au/toyota/vehicle/Specification/0,4668,1602_544_336,00.html

awwww man you have me wanting one of these badddddd....need a new truck with a double cab by next May,,,,,,,,wonder what shipping from Ozzzzzz would be???? extra $20 or so?????

I have over a 100k on my tacoma so far and my wife's rav4 has 83k Plus and no problems. I can not say that about the chevy I had before it or her sunfire. Toyota for us from now on. tom

I have a 2001 Chevy Silverado 1500 Z-71 with the 5.3 liter engine and auto transmission. It has just over 90,000 miles and has had very few problems. There were a couple minor warranty things early on but I can't even remember what they were, nothing that put it out of commission. The only real problem I've had is with the sending unit for the gas tank. It went goofy a while back so that the gas gauge sometimes drops down to empty when I fill it up. The fix was more than I felt like spending when I have an odometor to go off of. It also suffers from the steering shaft clunk which is annoying. For mileage I'm current getting about 16.5 or better around town and have hit 19 for some trips but given our hills that doesn't happen often. It has been used hard during hunting season and has done well. Overall I'm pretty happy with it (need to be since I'll be driving it for some time) and would recommend one though I have no experience with the Tundra to compare.

The steering shaft "clunk" is easily fixed by greasing the intermediate shaft.

Stetson, give me a "how to" on greasing. I'm no mechanic, so i need a little help please. Thanks.

If your not mechanicly inclined just take it in and have the shaft greased. No biggie.

The dealer greased my steering shaft when I took it in under warranty for the "clunk" and that didn't make a difference. I was under the impression it was one of those things you just have to live with.

Driving a '97 T-100 myself. Would like to get a new Tundra, but it wouldn't make financial sense to do so since the one I got now suffers from no problems and is paid for.

If you properly grease the intermediate shaft the clunk is history or at least it was on my truck. There is also an updated intermediate shaft available and the part is about $90.

buy a chevy 5 years 100,000 mile powertrain

I live in Minnesota and and it is nice to have a Ford truck.
They had a nice plant in St. Paul. It will be closed down soon.
Lots of jobs will be lost.
The last time I shopped for a new truck, I read about Tundras, they are rated high but the ones in the dealership were about $28,000. This was in 2004. I shopped around and got a 2003 Ford F-150 with the work truck package brand new for $17,900. Thats over ten grand less. I have had zero problems with the Ford in the last three years. I did replace the windshield wiper blades.
It has a Mazda built 5 speed transmission, and the Torsion bars say Made in Mexico. It was assembled in Ontario Canada. I guess it is a North American truck with assorted
world sourced parts. My neighbor bought a Nissan truck and
on a windy day a big tree fell on it. He waited a LOOOOOONG time for parts to fix it. Remember Pearl Harbor.
If you don't like General Motors try a Ford not a Jap truck.
By the way I heard that Miroku in Japan may start making Model 70's so you Toyota guys can hang one in the back window.
whelennut

I have put over 100K miles on 4 different Toyota trucks. From the Original toyota truck, 2 Tacos and 1 T-100. I worked for Toyota for several years as well as Dodge and Ford as a Asst. Service Manager. The comparison in the manufacturers is vast. The one thing that Toyota does that the Americans dont is, care about their reputation. They spend way more money on R&D than the the 3 other American makes combined. When Toyota introduces a new line they have tested it to delirium to find out what needs changed , modified or corrected. They dont rely on Recalls and Technical Service Bulletins to correct their design flaws on down the road after the consumer has already bought the vehicle. This is one of the reasons that they have always scored so well on JD Power and Associates Initial Quality Tests. I found the customer base from Toyota to be worlds apart from the American customer base. There are so many un happy people that come into an American made dealership service department that its depressing. At Toyota the customers are generally in a good mood and friendly, with the exception of the rare short tempered customer. I spent day in and day out putting out fires at the service desk, it was the worst job I ever had working for Chrysler/Dodge and Ford. I had never seen so many victims of buyers remorse in my life. But you have to sympathize with the guy that paid $40k for a truck or SUV and he's in the dealership at least once a month. Then parts have to be ordered and they have to come back and the computer based parts catalogs sometimes require an engineer to order the right part, so they have to make another trip back to get the right part installed. Its a nightmare.

On another note, I live in the interior of Alaska. Winter is as harsh as many of you (besides the alaska guys) could possibly imagine. In this harsh climate Toyotas Shine! Last winter during a -50 cold spell 3 different people on my street had thier 2005 and newer GM's required being towed to the dealership in town 100 miles away and my wife gave all of them rides to work in the morning with her 4 Runner. All vehicles were outside kept and plugged in equally. The 3 trucks towed away were a 2005 Silverado- Check engine light on and engine misfiring, 2005 Denali and a 2005 Z71 Suburban - both with some kind of hydraulic pump failure that took out the P/S and Brakes, all 3 of these vehicles were towed away in a 24 hour period. They had to pay their own tow bills because the GM Roadside Asst # for our region had a constant busy signal due to the high volume of calls. its pretty sad because the only thing that many of the American Auto makers have to rely on selling their products is FanFare from Americans tha think that these Japanese vehicles are made in Japan and they wont own a Jap anything. But many are waking up and smelling the coffee and realizing that your hard earned money in an ever inflating economy must be spent intelligently. Theres a reason why the big 2 American Auto makers are on the brink of bankruptcy and Toyota is blossoming and its not the Unions fualt which so many like to claim. Make a piece of CHITT and it dont sell simply put! And as a result you dont make enough money.

Alaska Cub,
I owned an 89 Tacoma once. The parts were very expensive, and it rusted out really bad. We put a lot of salt on our roads in the winter. I could put my finger through the frame in some places when I sold it with around 178,000 miles on it.
It got 20 mpg on the highway with a 5 speed.
My Ford gets 18 mpg on the highway with a 5 speed and I don't have to get out to lock the hubs anymore. It has a lot more room for my family. We get cold weather to and my Ford can sit out in -20 temps all night and fire right up no problem. I have never used the tank heater. Never needed
to. I wouldn't take a General Motors truck as a gift, I worked for Chevrolet as a salesman for about 2 months and I just don't like the "attitude" at the dealerships. I think they deserve a good spanking by the economy. Buy a Ford!
Whelennut

I plan to buy a Tundra next time out the door. I currently have a Dakota 2X4. Can't wait till the POS is paid off! Gets stuck at the slightest suggestion of slick, heater gets stuck on high with setting on A/C or normal settings. Live with that when it is 90F in the shade!!! Thing has been into the shop for that problem multiple times. Replaced heater/cooling system stem to stern. Now out of warrenty and still a problem. Tranny rebuilt within 6 months of purchase. Power steering pump exploded a year ago then water pump seized up within moments of steering pump blowing. And this is with reg maint done! Have had Ford and GM in past. GM was best buy so far, bought new in 92 and my son has it now. But, Tundra has best rating now. Can't be worse than what I have now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />