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Curious shelby foote says fredricksburg...but picketts was awful...
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered."
― George Orwell, 1984
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Having walked both spaces with nothing worse then hot weather to contend with, I don't really see picking a 'winner' to this one. Moving against massed gun fired in open spaces, against a fortified enemy.
If you haven't enjoyed approaching a fortified position under gunfire, try walking across your yard, with a couple of people shooting you with airsoft, from behind your car. Then imagine them little plastic BBs as Minie. And hundreds of yards instead of a dozen.
I would break the tie, because of the amount of time the wounded and survivors lay out on the field at Fredricksburg, under fire. Read Chamberlain's account.
Brave men to endure what that must have been.
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Neither were fun for the men involved. I've been to Gettysburg and looking at that field and thought have brave Pickett's men had to be to make that charge.
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Fredericksburg.
Pickett only made one charge and it damned near worked.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Of the two listed choices, it would be Gettysburg, to me.
(The worst of all, though, had to have been Cold Harbor.)
I'm becoming more tolerant of intolerant people.
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Neither were fun for the men involved. I've been to Gettysburg and looking at that field and thought have brave Pickett's men had to be to make that charge. Amen!
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Been to both places. Gettysburg was a flat, wide open field with the enemy in sight on the other side. Pickett made one charge and it nearly worked.
Fredericksburg was a hill, open and steep, with the enemy behind a stone wall at the top. At Fredericksburg, charge after charge was made and after the first the charges were over and around the bodies of dead and wounded who failed earlier. Those later charges were by soldiers brought across a river and a canal, under fire, to make those charges.
Pickett's charge was foolish bravery by Pickett and Lee. Fredericksburg was insane butchery of their own men by the Union commanders.
Now, if you want to talk about a simply savage battle, perhaps the most brutal any Americans have ever fought in throughout our history, look to The Bloody Angle.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Gettysburg was one instance that Lee should have listened to Longstreet!!
Even birds know not to land downwind!
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