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Compound fractures of both tibia and fibula. That dude will be admitted and have to go to the OR., IV antibiotics, likely open reduction with internal fixation...his hospital bill is gonna be a big one. The tab will be picked up by the U.S. taxpayers.

You're correct.

The Federal government has no Constitutional foundation to fund SS....and no grounds to use the military as a political tool.

What exactly IS the point of paying Federal Income and payroll taxes at this juncture? The country had functioned longer without them than with.

You're talking to someone who generationally will be eating the schidt sandwich, so if it seems as though I have a dim view of socialism, you'd be correct.

I understand that the title of the OP is about fences or walls. No one contributing to this discussion has suggested that fences or walls, real or virtual, represent a stand-alone solution. Only that it must be part of a complicated and layered program of interdiction at the border, detection inland, detention, removal and more interdiction to discourage them from sneaking back in.

I'm a deputy prosecutor for the state and - insofar that it's relevant to the discussion in this thread - I spend a not insignificant part of my working life dealing with the illegals that are slipping past you at the border.

Juan and Maria, as you put it, are committing crimes of violence, crimes against property, identity theft, theft of social security numbers - that last is significantly damaging to those Americans whose numbers are stolen, and one recent victim of an illegal arrested here is a Texas resident. On occasion they murder, rape, slap their wives around and drive drunk.

All of which is costing the state a significant amount of money (some of it mine). Money for prosecution, public defenders, prison beds and probation officers. And then they run to a sanctuary city or are deported and slip past you again.

I don't blame you of not taking much of an interest in Juan and Maria. They don't represent an immediate concern to you. They are an immediate concern to me.

I agree that there is widespread crime, enormous entitlement costs, and nothing but escalation with the problem.

I think every SOB that's here illegally needs to be deported.

Very shortly after they close the border. Or as they are closing it.

It needs to be called Operation Schidt Storm. That's what it will be, with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the liberals out to save the world, one wetback at a time.

Gov. Rick Perry: ‘Political Rhetoric’ To Talk 14th Amendment, Illegals In US Until Border’s Secured'

You just froze a baby.

You just froze a baby.

Y'all do realize that after December 7, 1941 the U.S. Army ran mounted cavalry patrols along the river out of Fort Clark and Fort Bliss until late 1942 when they started phasing out all the mounted Cav units. Most of these units ended up in the PTO.

Simply posted for historical trivia interest.

Ya can't build a wall and ya can't deport them and ya can't drill for oil and make a difference. My dad told me can't never did anything. Do something even if its wrong. ED K

My Stepfather was on VA disability due to a badly broken back sustained while shoeing a horse at Ft Bliss.

His back was ramrod straight.

YOU CAN'T BUILD A WALL ON THE BORDER WHERE THE BORDER IS THE MIDDLE OF THE RIO GRANDE.

You disagree with THAT?

YES or NO.

That's where I take offense. The Federal government forbids the States from interfering with illegal immigration. It is the sole jurisdiction of the Federal government. My representatives take a strong stance on illegal immigration. What do yours say?

Outside the Beltway, Mate. But the questions reamin - What will it cost and Who will pay?

Flowers and fairies (and good smelling ones at that) will not sugar-coat the construction cost nor the operating costs. Perhaps you have a magic wand to make it all happen. If the Congress is reluctant to authorize a new highway bill and fund our crumbling infrastructure, what makes you think they'll pony up border costs?

Walls (or border fences) can be used o keep people out or keep people in. The East Germans tried it and even used "shoot-to-kill" guards; it slowed the exodus, but did not eliminate it.

If people want to migrate for economic, political or humanitarian reasons, they will.

Why will our border wall be more effective? - Other than the "fact" that we are a better and more-God-fearing nation.

We agree on something!

Would have loved to have heard some of his stories!!!

IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!

I know you did not direct this to me but I will reply. Hell no! Those who think we should need mental health help. I am also in favour of not surrendering even one square inch of US soil or river bottom.

I posted above what one Navy base had for security. It works and it works real well because they want it to be secure. I don't see anyone in Washington wanting our borders secure.

However, if the really wanted to stop the invasion it would be stopped. We can send men to the moon, we can explore the deepest oceans, and we CAN close the border. Fences will stop some but fences can be breached, climbed over, or tunnelled under. Technology can detect tunnelling, climbing, and breaching.

I think we need to get beyond building a fence down the middle of a river.

Call me what you will, you wont piss me off. I am on your side and I am sick of our leaders doing nothing as I believe you are.

Pat, in all honesty, that was pretty snarky of me and it was directed at Cross. I apologize to both of you.

Ahh...no offense taken. Just had to clear the air (net).