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And the hunter won't either, except his shoulder. More case capacity is more recoil, plain and simple.

I drive to work every day in a Toyota truck. I could get a big Dodge diesel, and I'd have more horsepower, plain and simple.

I'd still get there the same time. But spend more on fuel.

I have a .300 Weatherby in my safe. It's very accurate. I don't shoot it as much as my other rifles though. There's a reason for that.

Buy a 7mm rem mag....

LMAO, I don't own a 300 wsm and recoil doesn't bother me. Fact is, if you shoot more than a dozen or two rounds at a time you're best served by a non-magnum. Some need "big magnums" and big trucks to compensate. They're not needed to shoot stuff at 600. I was at a good LR shoot this spring, targets out to 1980. 30-some shooters and not a Weatherby mag in the bunch. Or a rookie.

The topic is killing an elk at 600 yards. You've already acknowledged that the elk won't know the difference. So tell me again why the weatherby is "better."

If your going to argue tho stuff you should do it with someone who doesn't study this.

A marginal hit with a weatherby is still marginal. Funny that you want to dismiss the shooters at the long range shoot (icebreaker 5) I went to this spring, and then turn around and talk about "the guys at LRH." What is that, a website?

Yes, I should. Because "studying this" on paper will lead you to the conclusion that faster is slways better. Doing it will lead you to the conclusion that bullet placement is what matters, and in that regard less is often more.

Your problem is, you know so many things to be true that aren't.

You want to talk about "long range hunting" in general, and the 1-mile plate. The OP asked about shots up to 600 yards. You want to talk about "energy on target" being important but the fact is, "energy on target" doesn't kill animals, a hole in the vitals does. And if you need more "energy on target" than you can get with a .300 WSM at 600 yards, the problem is not with the headstamp.

It's funny that you bring up LRH. When I put together my first dedicated long-range rig, one of the moderators over there helped me spec it out. Ian McMurchy, you may heave heard of him. Great guy, very willing to share his knowledge and a salt of the earth type of guy, very accomplished but also modest. Acknowledged long-range expert and also did a lot with muzzleloaders. His book on muzzleloading: "Modern Muzzleloaders for Today's Whitetails" is still hands-down the best reference I ever read on the subject. Unfortunately he passed away in 2008. His contributions were noted on LRH:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f22/ian-mcmurchy-has-passed-away-36907/

He also did a lot of culling for Sasketchewan fish and game. One thing I've noticed about guys who kill a lot of stuff for a living is, they don't get hung up on headstamps and tend to use "lesser" cartridges than most others. Wonder why that is?

I remember our discussions like they were yesterday. Ian offered to help me spec the rifle, which was generous and much appreciated. I was mentioning a long list of magnum cartridges including the WSM, and he said "why not the mighty .308?"

I didn't want a .308, I wanted something with more juice. But he convinced me otherwise, citing these advantages, which mostly boil down to putting more rounds downrange:

-Cheaper factory ammo and components, meaning I'd shoot more.
-Easier to reload for and find accuracy.
-Less recoil, meaning I'd shoot more often, and shoot more rounds when I did go to the range.
-Longer barrel life.

He didn't mention this, but since then I've also come to appreciate lighter-recoiling rounds because they're easier to stay in the scope and spot impacts.

So there you have it, those are the advantages of "lesser" cartridges.

You can talk all you want about heavy recoil being necessary, but it's not. Hell, if you want to you can always install a brake, but I choose not to. I'm going to the range tomorrow, I'll shoot somewhere between 100-200 rounds. I don't know anybody who looks forward to doing that with a .300 Wby, or who could avoid getting fatigued shooting 100+ big magnum rounds.

No. And I didn't specify 600 yards, Jon did. The guy who asked the question.

Other than that GFY.

I see zero reason to go wby mag over win in your scenario.

If you want big boy performance your going to have to accept heavy recoil.

Recoil....really? Can you come up with anything better than recoil? Come on man.....magnums kick so maybe you'd be better off with a .243....

And By the way, my 300 Weatherby kicks less than my .243..... I never have got fatigued shooting any of my magnum rifles. I have brakes on all of them.

Why would you not want to put a brake on a magnum? Noise?