Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Handguns Please Stop Using a Two Handed Grip On Your Handguns

Just because a handgun (hand in the singular tense) was designed so it COULD be shot with one hand doesn't mean it was designed so the operator MUST use just one hand.

There's way too much history of handguns being held all sorts of ways for such a change in definition to withstand a challenge in the world of common-sense or a court of law.

Attaching a stock is one thing, but a forearm is something else altogether.

Handguns with "forend" grips - that may or may not be used by the operator - have been around for a long time.

Sounds to me like Trh just needs to get laid

Preach it, brother. Spot on.

Now we need to make the ATF recognize that basic common sense statement and toss out their new interpretation of "redesigned."

Is this just another way to waste an otherwise useful Sunday afternoon?

I trust BATF much less than most here, but I'd like to see a case where interpretation of 2-handed firing has been classified as redesign in arrest or prosecution before believing this stuff.

Keeps your balls warm on cold mornings, too.
Bob

"The GCA does not define the term “redesign” and therefore ATF applies the common meaning. “Redesign” is defined as “to alter the appearance or function of.” See e.g. Webster’s II New College Dictionary, Third Ed. (2005)."

In other words, as they explain it, by the method of use alone, absent any "alteration of appearance," one may "redesign" a non-NFA firearm (such as a handgun) into an NFA regulated classification, thus exposing oneself to criminal liability absent the appropriate paperwork and tax payment.

I don't know how you got from the first paragraph to the second paragraph.

I just received an Official Notice Of Clarification regarding this two handed issue from the B.A.T.F.

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They rely on the "or function" part to say that no physical change to the handgun is required to make it a Title II violation. If you use it in such a way as to make it function as a two handed weapon (by using two hands), that's enough to "redesign" it into an Any Other Weapon classification, requiring a tax stamp to avoid felony charges.

I would like to see the ATF try and confront me while I am shooting my S&W 460 and S&W 500 with both hands.
I do not think that they would get very close to me.

It probably won't ever happen, because a judge would laugh them to scorn for their interpretation of "redesign" to include a method of use consistent with a prohibited design. But they like to make us worry. It's a power trip.

Yep.

Pretty funny stuff.

I would think that, with the proper sights attached, that any such idiotic attempt by an ATF agent would be from a distance of AT LEAST 200 yards..

really? you're reaching on this one. no way would your interpretation stand up in a court of law. there are more important things to worry about like whether bruce jenner still has his cock and/or balls or if its just a real fuggen mess down there.

There is a difference between function and use. The pistol still functions the same whether you use one hand, two hands, your feet, or your mouth and tongue.

You and I know that, but they are trying to create the impression that function means how its used, even without physical alteration. They're being very broad in their interpretation in the hope of intimidating gun owners. No judge would see it that way, though, unless he too had an axe to grind.

I think I'm starting to get it . . .

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The_Real_Hawkeye - Is this for real? What moronic "apparatchik" wasted a butt-load of taxpayer money and dreamed this BS up? I mean...what's ATF going to charge you with... a hand job! LOL
Homesteader

Well, they certainly have since January changed their operating interpretation of the word redesign to include methods of use, without regard for the absence of physical alteration. Put that together with the laws already long on the books about redesigning a handgun into a two-handed firearm, and what you get is a felony attached to taking a two-handed hold of a handgun (a weapon that must be designed for use with one hand) when firing it absent the appropriate tax stamp for a Title II AOW firearm.

I agree, however, that they'd never actually try to enforce their new interpretation of the word redesign, since the first halfway honest judge that saw it would laugh them out of court.