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Good Fake christians at work... Fixed it for you. No, just "christians", as stated. No group can have it both ways. Christians aren't asking for it both ways. Many who "claim" to be Christian are not. You just proved my point and undercut your own.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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You sure about that? Read 1st Timothy and get back to us. As for 1st Timothy, first off, it's a forgery, not written by Paul, and the reference to having only one wife only applies to Bishops, it says nothing about the common man. 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Is there anything that the Scriptures point to that allows for polygamy? Solomon had 700 wives. Scriptures refer to the New Testament. Please try again. So the Old Testament is not Scripture?
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I didn't realize you are a Theologian.
Have you ever heard of the Old Testament referred to as The Scriptures?
Can you also provide your source for the accusation of the Book of Timothy being forgery?
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I didn't realize you are a Theologian.
Have you ever heard of the Old Testament referred to as The Scriptures?
Can you also provide your source for the accusation of the Book of Timothy being forgery? Wow, You know nothing of about modern textual criticism. The Authorship of the Pastorals is the most disputed of any New Testament works: Scholarly opinion nowadays is almost unanimous against Pauline authorship: The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, publ. Geoffrey Chapman, 1989, chapter 60, at p.920, col. 2, " That Paul is neither directly nor indirectly the author is now the view of scholars almost without exception. For details, see Kümmel, I[ntroduction to the] N[ew] T[estament, Nashville, 1975] 392-94, 401-3".
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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4ager,
Why don't you just post a picture of yourself and end all of this foolishness on the campfire.
antelope_sniper,
It's obviously the standard. Sexual purity is a theme throughout the New Testament. I suggest you read it.
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I didn't realize you are a Theologian.
Have you ever heard of the Old Testament referred to as The Scriptures?
Can you also provide your source for the accusation of the Book of Timothy being forgery? Wow, You know nothing of about modern textual criticism. The Authorship of the Pastorals is the most disputed of any New Testament works: Scholarly opinion nowadays is almost unanimous against Pauline authorship: The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, publ. Geoffrey Chapman, 1989, chapter 60, at p.920, col. 2, " That Paul is neither directly nor indirectly the author is now the view of scholars almost without exception. For details, see Kümmel, I[ntroduction to the] N[ew] T[estament, Nashville, 1975] 392-94, 401-3". Geoffery Chapman said it. It's got to be true. Keep googling..
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Is the old testament is no longer part of the bible?
I would have thought you'd have trouble doing away with the ten commandments in the effort to ignore the genocide and slavery.
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4ager,
Why don't you just post a picture of yourself and end all of this foolishness on the campfire.
antelope_sniper,
It's obviously the standard. Sexual purity is a theme throughout the New Testament. I suggest you read it. Oh so pure:  Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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l believe you are quoting Paul, not Jesus or a prophet. That would be repeating what a very fallible human stated as his opinion.
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I like how so many of these "Christians" are so much better at quoting the Old Testament instead of the New. They like talking about all the fire and brimstone eye for an eye violence but kind of gloss over the turn the other cheek stuff. I guess that they forgot that the root of Christian is Christ
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I like how so many of these "Christians" are so much better at quoting the Old Testament instead of the New. They like talking about all the fire and brimstone eye for an eye violence but kind of gloss over the turn the other cheek stuff. I guess that they forgot that the root of Christian is Christ The root of Christianity goes back to this chick if not further: ![[Linked Image]](http://www.astrologyforearthrenewal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Inanna1.jpg)
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Good Fake christians at work... Fixed it for you. No, just "christians", as stated. No group can have it both ways. Christians aren't asking for it both ways. Many who "claim" to be Christian are not. Was they democrats or republicans?
The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.
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It is sad that we fall so terribly short of the One True Christian, Christ Himself.
Clearly what goes on in Church falls far short of "love thy neighbor as thyself". It's certainly true in my life.
Falling short of an ideal does not in my mind necessitate an abandonment of the ideal, however. I hope that all can say, Christian or non, that progress toward better loving of ones neighbor is a goal worth striving for on a daily basis.
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Is the old testament is no longer part of the bible?
I would have thought you'd have trouble doing away with the ten commandments in the effort to ignore the genocide and slavery. Didn't say it isn't a part of the Bible. But it isn't The Scriptures.
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I like how so many of these "Christians" are so much better at quoting the Old Testament instead of the New. They like talking about all the fire and brimstone eye for an eye violence but kind of gloss over the turn the other cheek stuff. I guess that they forgot that the root of Christian is Christ We are certainly very imperfect, no question at all. Many of us are trying very hard to help improve the lives of others though. We fail in this effort also, but great effort is being made by many. As society degenerates, I see more and more churches working tirelessly to compensate for the misery of the situation.
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Is there anything that the Scriptures point to that allows for polygamy? Certainly the Jews of the OT practiced polygamy to a degree and it is allowed under the Torah Law.. Again, I think what we are seeing is just something that was accepted in the culture of the ME in those times and it was adopted and continued under Islam.. Not sure about the NT teaching on the matter..I assume it supports monogamy, but don't know enough to be 100% sure... Of course, that sort of side steps the other issue thrown up by your question: Which Scriptures are you talking about? Various different Christian denominations/sects have different versions of the Bible and the small print is not the same! Your statement still begs an answer. You stated, "A case in point would be the various Christian groups that still endorse polygamy.."Who exactly are these various Christian groups?
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4ager,
Why don't you just post a picture of yourself and end all of this foolishness on the campfire.
antelope_sniper,
It's obviously the standard. Sexual purity is a theme throughout the New Testament. I suggest you read it. Oh so pure: Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. Please quote the rest of the passage. You know this is metephor. We are back to the question of honesty. Once again, you prove that you are not.
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Is the old testament is no longer part of the bible?
I would have thought you'd have trouble doing away with the ten commandments in the effort to ignore the genocide and slavery. Didn't say it isn't a part of the Bible. But it isn't The Scriptures. How many parts are there to the bible and what is each part for?
The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.
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Is the old testament is no longer part of the bible?
I would have thought you'd have trouble doing away with the ten commandments in the effort to ignore the genocide and slavery. Didn't say it isn't a part of the Bible. But it isn't The Scriptures. So it holds no authority?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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