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An opinion from a local.

It's about stupid cops. It's about chicken sh.it cowards that have no right to a badge let alone a gun. The tide is turning and it's going to be painful for stupid, scared cops.

Council's a pretty small town (gas station, motel, bar, and a mercantile). I wonder if the cops came down from McCall....which is basically Lake Tahoe/Sun Valley lite.
Sad deal all the way around.

Troublesome (if accurate) on a few levels.

In short, you're pissed at all the cops your wife has blown. Got it!

Trying to in some way fathom why anyone would think it is a GOOD idea to bring a rifle to a scene where the police are on the scene. If the bull needed to be put down, they were likely well equipped to do so.

If he wanted to be helpful, a "I have a rifle in my car, should I get it?" would have been infinitely more helpful (and safer for all) than the more likely "You ain't shooting my bull" while brandishing a rifle scenario which played out.

You have no class whatsoever.

one thing i can think of is those two deputies probably had no idea of how to deal with a bull other than shooting it.

As you should know,Valley county(McCall/Cascade) and Adams county bounty on the little ski hill just out of McCall towards New Meadows.I have family still in McCall and it isn't quite as bad as you say,close compared to years ago.

A McCall officer did the lettering on my logging truck and he later became a Adams county deputy.One of our local officers here was also a Adams county deputy..That's the old crew for both Adams and Valley county.Locals being officers!

That's all changed since then,now the big city officers flock to the job openings in central Idaho..I doubt many were born or raised in Idaho these days.Coming from the big cities with the big city attitude in small logging towns doesn't go over well with the locals...

I logged and worked out of Council for years and know many of the locals there now..Just a bunch of good folk wanting to be left alone.

I lived in McCall for 40 some years and it has changed but it is far from a little LA..There are still a bunch of good folks there,alot of them are my friends and hunting buddies and ofcourse,some are family.

Although it may look like it on the 4th of July....

A lot of guessing going on when we were not there. If it were my bull and I was called I would show up prepared to put the bull down if needed. I think almost anyone who lives in open range country would do the same.

Sad state of affairs no matter who was wrong.

I've dealt with my share of bulls. Can't say I would know how to deal with one pissed off (although they are always pissed off, this one just really pissed off) and hurt bull, while trying to balance it with injured people.

Bottom line, the HUMANS (even if they were driving a Subaru) who were hurt, have precedence over the bull.

Still no need to let an animal suffer when it doesn't need to.

"If he wanted to be helpful, a "I have a rifle in my car, should I get it?" would have been infinitely more helpful (and safer for all) than the more likely "You ain't shooting my bull" while brandishing a rifle scenario which played out."



Cops and cop suck-ups are allowed this type of speculation. It would go over better if you referred to the dead Rancher as a "perp". Any family members present are also "perps".

Cop critics, OTOH, are supposed to wait until "all the facts are in". If the facts put the cops in the wrong, then the media reported it wrong.

If the cop's boss [another cop] thinks he did wrong and fires him, he "threw him under the bus" to appease us, who are still "waiting on all the facts to come in".

This is just a brief synopsis of Campfire Rules with regard to cop threads.

Since you are new, I thought you might find it helpful.

Nailed it my friend!

I know that's true.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quick question though.....do your friends in McCall wear a tie-dyed t-shirt's?

ETA....I'm far from a cop hater but my gut tells me this was NOT the ranchers doing.

All black cows should be required to wear florescent vests. Or just outlaw black cows. They smell anyhow.

Black cow lives matter.

Bull owner/responsible party knew this, how?

... midwesterner applying provincial thinking to western sensibilities.

Thanks for the advice. Not a suck up, I've walked the walk, and went home with their blood, and mine and my clothes. Have also dealt with cheesedicks like you who think they know what they are talking about, but are in reality keyboard warriors with no real grasp of reality, and pontificate from a lofty perch.

Unfortunately it isn't a problem limited to just the "Campfire."