Looks like this 2 me. If I wanted my bull moved....cowdogs,horses,birdshot,ropes, stock trailer would be needed. To euthanize bull, 22 mag to 30 30 would be needed. To piss off cops high powered rifle, wife, nephew and or what not. Risk of richochet too great with high velocity weapons. Obviously he should've stayed home.
With a handle of "Angus" I would have thought you would have sided with the bull.
A couple articles mentioned that a dispatcher calledYantis to inform him he had a bull out in the road that was hit. At least one article stated the dispatcher requested he come and help take care of the situation.
One might have even intimated that the dispatcher asked him to help put the bull down.
Obviously 20/20 here, but I have to question the decision to call the rancher. If people were hurt, cows going crazy etc etc, I'm not sure how adding more people, and armed people, to the equation would make things better.
A couple articles mentioned that a dispatcher calledYantis to inform him he had a bull out in the road that was hit. At least one article stated the dispatcher requested he come and help take care of the situation.
One might have even intimated that the dispatcher asked him to help put the bull down.
Obviously 20/20 here, but I have to question the decision to call the rancher. If people were hurt, cows going crazy etc etc, I'm not sure how adding more people, and armed people, to the equation would make things better.
Yep. Good point.
But probably a civilian dispatcher being paid 11 bucks an hour reacting to the initial call, with no way of knowing what the situation at the scene was, just trying to be helpful.
"Put none but Americans on guard tonight." -George Washington
A couple articles mentioned that a dispatcher calledYantis to inform him he had a bull out in the road that was hit. At least one article stated the dispatcher requested he come and help take care of the situation.
One might have even intimated that the dispatcher asked him to help put the bull down.
Obviously 20/20 here, but I have to question the decision to call the rancher. If people were hurt, cows going crazy etc etc, I'm not sure how adding more people, and armed people, to the equation would make things better.
Yep. Good point.
But probably a civilian dispatcher being paid 11 bucks an hour reacting to the initial call, with no way of knowing what the situation at the scene was, just trying to be helpful.
I'm sure that's it. Small town/county. 'Hey, one of Bob's cows got hit, I'll call him'
If the sheriff's department was called because of the accident, let the sheriff's department tend to it, period.
I've never seen MORE people at an accident site help the situation.
A couple articles mentioned that a dispatcher calledYantis to inform him he had a bull out in the road that was hit. At least one article stated the dispatcher requested he come and help take care of the situation.
One might have even intimated that the dispatcher asked him to help put the bull down.
Obviously 20/20 here, but I have to question the decision to call the rancher. If people were hurt, cows going crazy etc etc, I'm not sure how adding more people, and armed people, to the equation would make things better.
Yep. Good point.
But probably a civilian dispatcher being paid 11 bucks an hour reacting to the initial call, with no way of knowing what the situation at the scene was, just trying to be helpful.
I'm sure that's it. Small town/county. 'Hey, one of Bob's cows got hit, I'll call him'
If the sheriff's department was called because of the accident, let the sheriff's department tend to it, period.
I've never seen MORE people at an accident site help the situation.
Yep.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions; likely another sad example of that old truth.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
I'm pretty sure that no one has a damned clue what happened yet. All we know at this point are the following facts:
1) bull hit by car; 2) deputies called to scene; 3) deputies call rancher to tell him bull hit by car; 4) rancher shows up with rifle; 5) deputies readying to put bull down because of injuries/being aggressive; 6) BOTH rancher and deputies fire weapons (per news clip that logcutter put up); 7) rancher killed; 8) investigation ongoing.
That's it; that's all we know.
There was no "SWAT team" involved. There was no Federal agency involved. There were two county deputies and a rancher.
There is no room for facts in this conversation.
The car ran into a field and ran down the bull. The bull was carrying concealed and drew on the rancher. The officers shot through the rancher to kill the bull before the bull could shoot the rancher. The wife had a heart attack because she was having an affair with the bull.
For those who haven't read the Herriot books, you really need to. His account of his first attempt at collecting semen will leave you in tears from laughter.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
For those who haven't read the Herriot books, you really need to. His account of his first attempt at collecting semen will leave you in tears from laughter.
The dead rancher was not at fault for the accident and the liability for the bull is with the car driver. This is the West, not like east of the Rockies.
I have had cows in open range. You hurt one because you are to stupid to read signs, watch where you are driving, and drive to fast for the conditions you pay the damages.
Police are not eager to put down wounded animals. It caused a mound of paperwork for most officers. They call the livestock owner if they can. Livestock owners usually know how to asses the injury and take approbate action. In my part of the world ranchers are almost always armed of have firearms readily available for emergencies. This did not happen in NJ or NYC.
A couple articles mentioned that a dispatcher calledYantis to inform him he had a bull out in the road that was hit. At least one article stated the dispatcher requested he come and help take care of the situation.
One might have even intimated that the dispatcher asked him to help put the bull down.
Obviously 20/20 here, but I have to question the decision to call the rancher. If people were hurt, cows going crazy etc etc, I'm not sure how adding more people, and armed people, to the equation would make things better.
Yep. Good point.
But probably a civilian dispatcher being paid 11 bucks an hour reacting to the initial call, with no way of knowing what the situation at the scene was, just trying to be helpful.
In a County of 4K, everyone pretty much knows everybody and their business. Some of the responses from people East of the Rockies are pretty ignorant on how things are done out West.
I'm pretty sure that no one has a damned clue what happened yet. All we know at this point are the following facts:
1) bull hit by car; 2) deputies called to scene; 3) deputies call rancher to tell him bull hit by car; 4) rancher shows up with rifle; 5) deputies readying to put bull down because of injuries/being aggressive; 6) BOTH rancher and deputies fire weapons (per news clip that logcutter put up); 7) rancher killed; 8) investigation ongoing.
That's it; that's all we know.
There was no "SWAT team" involved. There was no Federal agency involved. There were two county deputies and a rancher.
There is no room for facts in this conversation.
The car ran into a field and ran down the bull. The bull was carrying concealed and drew on the rancher. The officers shot through the rancher to kill the bull before the bull could shoot the rancher. The wife had a heart attack because she was having an affair with the bull.
"The wife had a heart attack because she was having an affair with the bull."
Another selling point for artificial insemmenination. Prize genetics in a straw can't stand up 2 a subaru.
I have worked on a ranch with five thousand range cows. Most would think nothing of stomping you into a muddy mush. You can AI them all, I will let the bulls do it the honest way.
For those who haven't read the Herriot books, you really need to. His account of his first attempt at collecting semen will leave you in tears from laughter.
I remember that, it was funny as hell.
Yes it was. Made me laugh again just remembering it.
Can't even read the whole thing but that doesn't stop you from spreading misinformation.