Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull.

I sure as hell wouldn't roll up and hop out with a gun if the cops were already there. That's just asking for trouble.

Not saying cops are trigger happy idiots but you don't always know who you're dealing with and vice versa from the cops perspective.

I'd just as soon let the cops shoot the critter anyway.

Linking this death to the Ft Worth homeowner killed in his garage by cops at the wrong address, and the former Marine killed by Tucson SWAT, the obvious lesson to be learned is that if you have a firearm when cops show up, and you didn't send for them...... shoot fast and straight.

Being the only survivor has obvious advantages when compared to being the victim of a wrongful death by cops.

Damn witnesses wreck everything,,,,wreck a good story as well.
Remember, 2 people can keep a secret....as long as one of them is dead.....

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000003615939/video-shows-fatal-police-shooting.html

Gotta pry, what was your experience that so jaded you? Lots and lots of anger.

For those who haven't read the Herriot books, you really need to. His account of his first attempt at collecting semen will leave you in tears from laughter.

I have worked on a ranch with five thousand range cows. Most would think nothing of stomping you into a muddy mush. You can AI them all, I will let the bulls do it the honest way.

Yeah I don't get why the damn things are in the road anyway, if on open range and not just escaped from private land. Oh yeah, cattlemen association's political power.

If you're going to be stupid and let your big black sheit walk around in the highway at night, do you have any responsibility to the rest of humanity to 1) not do it 2) paint the suckers florescent yellow 3) not do it. let me think- How about not do it?

I never did get the whole public range thing. Lots of fun hunting elk where the cows run on public land. Does anybody think the use of public land to run your personal cows on isn't the direct result of Cattleman Associations political power?

I answered this last night in a fairly wordy response but it has disappeared overnight. The abridged version I'll indulge you now.

I worked for a local PD many years back and witnessed some truly disgusting and illegal behaviors by several "officers". One sgt put a ladder to the 2nd story master bedroom in his old house and raped his ex wife. Flat out undeniable RAPE! Since our department couldn't investigate one of our own the case went to another metropolis to investigate with instructions that it never happened. Well the other dept owed ours a favor because a few months earlier a couple of their detectives got in a serious accident after partying -our department never charged them and they kept their jobs. So the metropolis investigating the rape paid our department and specifically, Sgt. Rapist back. The entire thing was swept under the rug. Not another word and an unofficial memo to never talk about it again. After all this guys job and freedom could be in jeopardy because he was a good guy, one of "us".
A year later a different cop more senior was fired for a different rape. The rape of someone in his custody.

My anger stems from the daily abuse that happens by some cops but is defended by virtually all cops. If a 63 year old white, well respected cattle rancher isn't safe from being blown away in front of his wife who is. Those are just 2 cases from 1 department.

I'm not anti cop, in fact my oldest son is an MP in the USMC and may make LE a career. I raised him to be an honest, kind, moral man and I'm afraid that LE, the way it's going, will not accept those qualities. I know that good, moral men exist in LE as I worked with some. They were old school guys that were just counting their days till retirement. They thought that the new group of young cops with heads shaved and always looking for a fight made the job tough.

Just found this on the "Idaho New Republic" blog, sounds very credible:


"The entire operation was an ATF sting. All parties were undercover agents; the deputies, the occupants of the Subaru, and even the Bull... (he was REAL undercover) all agents.
The entire thing was staged to draw the rancher out of his house to assassinate him. The wife set it up, and her "heart attack" is just a ruse to protect her true identity...yep, she is a long term undercover agent who married the rancher 27 years ago when the investigation started..."

He precipitated his own death, and won't get any tears from me.

I have 4 good cow dogs, tough sons of bitches. A bull that is hurt and mad will stand and fight, pretty sure my dogs couldn't move him unless they ate him and went off the road to [bleep].

You don't know sh.it about what happened, haven't read the articles with any meaningful comprehension, admitted you don't know and this is your response? He deserved it and the only thing better would have been if you could have killed him yourself.

You are a real sh.itbag!

You don't know sh.it about what happened, haven't read the articles with any meaningful comprehension, admitted you don't know and this is your response? He deserved it and the only thing better would have been if you could have killed him yourself.

You are a real sh.itbag!

You don't know sh.it about what happened, haven't read the articles with any meaningful comprehension, admitted you don't know and this is your response? He deserved it and the only thing better would have been if you could have killed him yourself.

You are a real sh.itbag!

I believe what I believe, based on somewhat limited information

I answered this last night in a fairly wordy response but it has disappeared overnight. The abridged version I'll indulge you now.

I worked for a local PD many years back and witnessed some truly disgusting and illegal behaviors by several "officers". One sgt put a ladder to the 2nd story master bedroom in his old house and raped his ex wife. Flat out undeniable RAPE! Since our department couldn't investigate one of our own the case went to another metropolis to investigate with instructions that it never happened. Well the other dept owed ours a favor because a few months earlier a couple of their detectives got in a serious accident after partying -our department never charged them and they kept their jobs. So the metropolis investigating the rape paid our department and specifically, Sgt. Rapist back. The entire thing was swept under the rug. Not another word and an unofficial memo to never talk about it again. After all this guys job and freedom could be in jeopardy because he was a good guy, one of "us".
A year later a different cop more senior was fired for a different rape. The rape of someone in his custody.

My anger stems from the daily abuse that happens by some cops but is defended by virtually all cops. If a 63 year old white, well respected cattle rancher isn't safe from being blown away in front of his wife who is. Those are just 2 cases from 1 department.

I'm not anti cop, in fact my oldest son is an MP in the USMC and may make LE a career. I raised him to be an honest, kind, moral man and I'm afraid that LE, the way it's going, will not accept those qualities. I know that good, moral men exist in LE as I worked with some. They were old school guys that were just counting their days till retirement. They thought that the new group of young cops with heads shaved and always looking for a fight made the job tough.

This article won't stop the rampant speculation on here, mostly from folks who probably don't have a clue where Idaho is and surely don't know where Adams county, where the incident occurred, is located. Lighten up folks the facts will come out eventually, if there were misdeeds


Link to the latest update on the story.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article42229305.html

facts are a lot harder to cover up in a place like Adams county than they are in some other places.

I am guessing here and I really don't like to guess without facts but I think the reason they called him in the first place was to come and put the bull down. I also don't see that calling him to come was in any way ignoring the folks who were hurt in the car.

Time will tell if we ever get all the facts.