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it is not looking good for the Adams County deputies.


not looking real shiny on this "forum", either.

There's more than a few posting here that have driven between Wieser and McCall, and KNOW that area and her people.

TRUST them,...they will get through this, absent help from distant and dissonant help, or advice.

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How does a county of 4000 hire people that aren't local? Surely they can't afford to pay good enough to have officers moved there.

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I was discussing this with a friend who owns property just two miles north of where this incident occured. He does not reside on the property, but spends about half of his weekends, vacation, and holidays there. He is friends with several full time residents of the same area, and has spoken with Jack Yantis on several occasions.

The brunt of our conversation was: Where does Adams County get their deputies. He stated that most are hired right out of academy. Adams County pay scale is too low to attract any seasoned officers, and pretty much excludes the cream of the academy crop.

That said, we still do not know the names of the deputies involved or any of their particulars.

I was informed of information online from an eye witness in the next car behind the Subaru. I have not been able to find this via internet search and would surely appreciate any one who could point me to it.

But this account apparently backs up the statement by Rowdy Paradis.

A couple of facts I have been able to ascertain. The bull was struck within a few tens of yards from Jack Yantis's barn. Jack and his wife had very little distance to travel to the scene. It was practically in their front yard.

I understand there are two eyewitness accounts that Jack never pointed his weapon at the deputies. One account, I have been told, states that Jack actually shot the bull. And was killed immediately after.

A couple of other items which I find disturbing: It has been several days and we have yet to hear the nature of one deputy's "wound". Nowhere has it been stated that Jack wounded the deputy, and I think that would have been stated if true.

The second item is the nature in which the sheriff stated that Jack's wife became ill after being informed of the death. The sheriff intentionally leads us to believe she was not on the scene.

It appears the sheriff is making factual statements, but making them in such a way as to lead his audience into untruthful conclusions.

I have believed the police mindset which might have led these deputies to over react and murder this rancher only existed in Chicago, Los Angeles, and other such schitholes of humanity.

I had a difficult time believing that this played out this way in rural Idaho, with the cops in egregious error. But it certainly appears that the facts are beginning to come out and it is not looking good for the Adams County deputies.

I sincerely doubt the sheriff will be sheriff after the next election cycle. And if the Adams County Prosecutor does not hang these two deputies out to dry, his job will not survive the election cycle either.


Tough job,...posting like what you're doing.

It's appreciated here.

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Yes Greg, I am one of those.

I passed by Jack's barn three hours before the accident occured.

I hate pointing fingers at the cops. They are doing a tough job for little compensation. At least that is true of small town police and deputies around here.


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Please, let's not make this a Deliverance, Where are They now? thread.


Who would of thought the inbred banjo player would now look less freakish than Reynolds?

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Until more information is made available, my only comment on the thread subject is that it's a tragic and unnecessary waste, and should have been avoidable. I can't begin to imagine what all involved are going through.

On the other hand, I just downloaded Dueling Banjos for my phone ringtone and have been listening to it while reading the remainder of this thread. My wife thinks I'm nuts and I think it's awesome - I can listen to that tune for hours smirk

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Keep going, we've almost come full circle. I will try not to rub everyone's nose in it.

BTW, 4ager, do you ever get out of the house?


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Thanks for that update Idaho Shooter, sad story all around.

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Yes Greg, I am one of those.

I passed by Jack's barn three hours before the accident occured.

I hate pointing fingers at the cops. They are doing a tough job for little compensation. At least that is true of small town police and deputies around here.


I almost bought a shop in Weiser once, it's hard to countenance it being almost a quarter century ago
...spent more than a fair bit of time just hanging out in that general area,...and ran the road up to McCall MANY times. Strikes me that I remarked about folks were driving TOO FAST, at that time. Can't imagine that anybody slowed down much,....

We've been told that a "never back down" attitude is (in some circles) an outmoded, and somehow FROWNED UPON attitude.

I'll only comment that I've never seen it more strongly reflected in a nicer bunch of solid folks than those I met , during that all too brief sojourn there.

Can't see Cochise County as being a whole lot different, either.

There's something VERY wrong when hard working folks start to feel "cornered"

I'd have said / posted little or nothing here,...were it not for getting a strong whiff of the sort that aspire to corner.

Best for them that they realize that their smell can't wash off, and that their time's drawing to a close.

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Cops Call Rancher for Help with a Bull, When He Showed Up the Cops Killed Him

Adams County, ID — Jack Yantis, a 62-year-old rancher from Council, Idaho, received a call from the Adams County Sheriff’s Office on November 1 informing him that one of his bulls had been struck by a car on the nearby interstate. Yantis arrived at the scene a few minutes later, armed with a rifle to put down the wounded animal, which had turned aggressive and was threatening emergency responders trying to treat two people injured in the collision.

Within a few minutes, Yantis was dead – shot by deputies on the scene. Upon hearing the news, his wife Donna suffered a heart attack. She was taken to Saint Alphonsus Hospital in Boise. As this is written she reportedly remains in critical condition.

“They took a family man from the dinner table and slaughtered him,” declared Rowdy Paradis, who says he was standing ten feet from the rancher when he was killed.

Sheriff Ryan Zolland describes Yantis as a well-known and widely respected figure in Adams County.
“This is going to be a big hit to this community,” a visibly shaken Zolland told Boise’s NBC affiliate, KTVB. “The gentleman involved, Mr. Yantis, was a well-known cattle rancher around here. It’s just a sad deal for everybody involved, for the whole community.”

Sheriff Zolland insisted that his department “takes matters involving any use of force very seriously and we have requested detectives with the Idaho State Police to conduct the investigation into this incident.” The deputies involved – one of whom reportedly suffered an unspecified “minor injury,” are on paid leave.

Assuming that the investigation proceeds in familiar fashion, the “incident” will not be treated as a suspected criminal homicide, but as an “assault on law enforcement.” Taking its cues from law enforcement sources, the Idaho Statesman newspaper in Boise – the state’s most influential media organ – referred to Yantis’s death as the result of a “shootout.”

That expression has connotations of an encounter between law enforcement and a violent criminal, rather than an eminently avoidable death that apparently occurred through miscommunication or, possibly, the panic-stricken reaction of deputies to the presence of an armed citizen. It should not be forgotten that Yantis was responding to a message from the sheriff’s dispatch, and trying to assist the first responders, when he was fatally shot.

The Idaho State Police, which is investigating the incident, is currently facing lawsuits from two troopers and one former sergeant who claim to have faced official retaliation for refusing to participate in an official cover-up in a previous law enforcement-related fatality. ISP Corporals Quinn Carmack and Brandon Eller, along with former Sergeant Fred Rice, were involved in the investigation of former Payette County Deputy Scott Sloan, who killed 65-year-old New Plymouth resident Barry Johnson by plowing his police vehicle into the side of Johnson’s jeep at an estimate speed of 115 miles per hour.

On the basis of evidence produced by Carmack, Eller, and Rice, Sloan was fired by Sheriff Chad Huff and charged with vehicular manslaughter by special prosecutor Richard Linville. That case was sabotaged through the perjured testimony of ISP Trooper Justin Klitch, who had secretly collaborated with Sloan’s defense team while working in the official investigation.

Discarding the findings of its own investigators, the ISP tried to craft a narrative blaming Johnson for his own death by claiming that alcohol was involved in the October 18, 2011 crash. During an April 2012 preliminary hearing in the case, Trooper Sam Ketchum sent a text message to Lt. Col. Ralph Powell (who is now ISP Director), complaining that Carmack and Eller had “laid us out” by testifying truthfully, rather than endorsing the officially sanctioned fiction.
One issue examined at that hearing was whether the original ISP report faulted Sloan for “unsafe operation of an emergency vehicle.”

In his surprise testimony for the defense, Klitch perjured himself by denying that the phrase had been in the original document. In a letter to the ISP written following the hearing, prosecutor Linville pointed to an email in which Klitch – before the official story had changed – “specifically requested” that the phrase be included in the report, based on the available evidence.

Revising his testimony to suit the official line was not the only favor Klitch did on behalf of Sloan, and for his own superiors at the ISP.

“When I initially asked Trooper Klitch to meet with me to discuss filing the case, he made a recording of out meeting without my knowledge or consent,” Linville recalls. “I don’t know why Trooper Klitch would make such a recording. His duty at the time was to present to me all of the evidence he had collected regarding the Sloan case. He was meeting with me to present evidence, not to create it.”

“Never in my 25 years as a prosecuting attorney have I had a law enforcement officer secretly record discussions during case preparation that are otherwise privileged and protected work product, then hide the existence of such a recording from me,” Linville protested.

Klitch’s perjury earned him a place on the “Brady list” – a roster of law enforcement officers whose testimony cannot be trusted in court. However, for testifying truthfully in court, corporals Carmack and Eller were summoned by their ISP superiors and told that “because of their testimony [they] could not be trusted….” Sgt. Rice, who had conducted a professional and conscientious investigation, was reprimanded for supposedly “withholding exculpatory evidence” – meaning that his original report was later contradicted by Klitch’s perjured testimony. Subjected to a punitive transfer, Rice was told by his new supervisor that he was “not being a team player” and that “he needed to stop more cars and write more tickets and that if he did not make the changes it would be reflected in his 2013 evaluation.” Rice has since resigned from the ISP.

The perjurer Klitch, according to his supervisor, remains “a valued member of the ISP” — despite being inscribed on the “Brady list” and a growing collection of lawsuits by motorists who have suffered abuse at his hands in pretext stops conducted for the purpose of asset forfeiture.

Jackie Raymond, the only surviving child of the man killed by Deputy Sloan, has filed a tort claim describing the ISP’s behavior as that of a criminal “enterprise or conspiracy …[to] conceal evidence, harbor and protect Sloan from criminal and civil liability, and intimidate, influence, impede, deter, threaten, harass and obstruct witnesses … to protect fellow Idaho law enforcement officers from the consequences of their criminal misconduct.”

The death of Jack Yantis may have been the product of tragic miscalculation, misunderstanding, or mishap. Now that the investigation is being conducted by a “criminal enterprise” with a documented history of suppressing and misrepresenting evidence, the truth of the matter will remain elusive.

(Article by William N. Grigg; from The Free Thought Project)


"Free Thought Project"?

Also, it seems this "article" contradicts supposedly "eyewitness" accounts that have the wife at the scene, which certainly would have reinforced the thrust of the "article".

The "article" is short on facts and long on speculation.

How about we wait until some more real facts are known?
Police work involves coming up with an idea of what happened and then investigating that angle. If it doesn't work out, you move on to something else. That involves speculating on what happens-which is all that's going on here. I haven't even speculated like some others are. It seems odd that some here want to shut down "free thought" when all people are doing are discussing what might have went down.

Sounds like what I posted, which was just a story from the internet and not held up to be anything else or more, trues right up with the account posted by Idaho Shooter-very close to boots on the ground.

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Yes Greg, I am one of those.

I passed by Jack's barn three hours before the accident occured.

I hate pointing fingers at the cops. They are doing a tough job for little compensation. At least that is true of small town police and deputies around here.


I almost bought a shop in Weiser once, it's hard to countenance it being almost a quarter century ago
...spent more than a fair bit of time just hanging out in that general area,...and ran the road up to McCall MANY times. Strikes me that I remarked about folks were driving TOO FAST, at that time. Can't imagine that anybody slowed down much,....

We've been told that a "never back down" attitude is (in some circles) an outmoded, and somehow FROWNED UPON attitude.

I'll only comment that I've never seen it more strongly reflected in a nicer bunch of solid folks than those I met , during that all too brief sojourn there.

Can't see Cochise County as being a whole lot different, either.

There's something VERY wrong when hard working folks start to feel "cornered"

I'd have said / posted little or nothing here,...were it not for getting a strong whiff of the sort that aspire to corner.

Best for them that they realize that their smell can't wash off, and that their time's drawing to a close.

GTC
Several thoughtful posts Greg.

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Thanks for that update Idaho Shooter, sad story all around.
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Too fast...... amen.

Speed limit is 55. Traffic usually runs 65 to 70.

Makes it damned tough to get out of the driveway and onto the road with a loaded pickup and trailer when there is a blind corner 100 yds in either directi0n.

Also makes it tough to stop in time when a black cow is standing in the road at dark thirty PM.


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It looks like there's a lot going on in dealing with the situation:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article43045458.html


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On local news right now.


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Only thing of note is mention of several eye witnesses speaking to ISP, and all voice recoedings and dash cam footage is in the hands of ISP.


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The longer the cops keep quite, the worse this whole fiasco is going to get.


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Greg, as you are familiar with this stretch of hiway 95, you will remember a straight stretch of road for six miles going North out of Council. Just as you hit the first curve, right at the Fruitvale turnoff is a big red barn which has been there for decades. That is Jack and Donna's barn. This accident occurred right beside the barn.


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frown frown frown

got it

....jeez


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Damn that is sad.

Make note of that corral. Living in the country, I know what bad fences look like. Guys that constantly have cattle out on the road have bad fences because they are sick or they just don't gaf whether their cows get out. That ain't a bad fence.

Everybody who has cows has them get out, but when you let your fences go, they get out more often. I'm guessing that isn't where the cows got out but...generally if a man keeps his corral up like that, he's got good fences everywhere.

It also speaks to his character, keeping a place up like that.

Damn!

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"Donna and Jack". Put his wife first. No wonder she had a heart attack when she saw him shot dead before her eyes.

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