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I recall hearing about that one. F'k up of epic proportions.

If Jack would have shot and killed them that dash cam would have been on. I can't figure out how that always works that way.

I can think of a number of adjectives to describe Curdog, but "coy" is not one of them. I find it difficult to believe you don't know who he is talking about, but if you really don't and wish to, just look back at some of his posts and all the name-calling and mocking that he's endured-specifically on threads dealing with those two incidents.

I agree wholeheartedly. It happens time and again.

I figure Gene can, because he has before, name names.

Don't recall those two thread specifically, though I've no doubt they were rankerous and needlessly so. Might have been a better idea to have actually waited for the facts to emerge, eh?

Hell, I recall a recent thread (this year) when I was right there calling for the cop's head - before the facts came out. Learned my lesson.

Mirage made a good suggestion, even if he didn't realize it.

A break from all this for a while, perhaps for a bunch of us.

Say more than a few prayers for Mrs. Yantis and the rest of that family, for the entire community up there, and for the families of the officers involved (looks like they may lose their sons, too). After that, go hunting or fishing or work outside or something else.

Dash cam not on. Gee, Golly, what could that mean?

Probably out of sensitivity to the public. Wouldn't want a video of Barney Fife trying to put down an agitated bull with a 9mm?

Entirely unrelated to the thread, having met the man, Gene's got my vote, I don't really GAF if he agrees with me about stuff or not.

As to the tragic incident, seems like all we can infer at this point is that it happened after dark, there was some sort of disagreement between Mr Yantis and the deputies regarding the issue of dispatching the bull, and that Mr Yantis did shoot the bull.

At least two witnesses have spoken up stating the actions of the deputies were egregious, OTOH, I seriously doubt the deputies originally arrived at the crash scene that evening intending to employ deadly force.

Hope we get full disclosure.

Birdwatcher

"Which members are you talking about, Gene? Don't be coy."

Since you asked a civil question, I'll respond:

I was speaking to a general mindset that usually divides the forum membership on this topic.

But... Our friend Bob [isaac] was the one leading the charge against Jose Guerno and his wife. To his credit, months later, he was the one who,privately, told me of the financial settlement.[To MY credit, I didn't open an "I told you so" thread about it ]

I'm not going to research either of the two threads to assemble the list of "team members".

The length of the threads tells the story. Most members posted one time, allowing that that the cops' actions were questionable, or abhorrent,even.

Those members supporting the cops, or,"wait on the facts" types, are few in number, but because each of them respond to each contrary post, it gives the appearance of a forum equally divided on the question.

It's not.

When something smells, most members know there is something rotten causing it, but they are content to only post one time.

I said, many years ago, that I post on all contentious threads as a student of human nature. That hasn't changed, whether the topic is religion, or whatever.

No it isnt.

Our dash as didn't record 24/7

There was three ways ours were turned on

A. Manually by pressing the green button on the housing

B by Turing the pursuit switch on to position 3 or 4 which activated the overhead lights, and lights and siren respectively

C it was automatically triggered by a critical AL event (crash)
In this mode it recalled 8 seconds prior and after the trigger time

Did you typically not activate it when responding to calls?

I imaagine the cars lights were going.

It is amazing how the cameras never seem to be working when these things happen, the delay in releasing any of the facts is not helping the police or the community at all.
A bad wreck with entrapment and angry bull chasing people around, why record any of that?

My assumption is that it was all recorded. The story they made up to explain not having the video was that they forgot to turn the camera on. Covering error is pretty standard practice, and the brotherhood is almost always cooperative on such things.

dark night light had to be on ,WHY not the dash cam????????????????

and for the other idoit a 9mm will kill a bull SHOT PLACEMENT we regularly do cows and steers with a 22 cal,to the brain , body shots do not work.
norm

No, not every call.
Policy stated it had to be on for vehicle stops, streets idea field interviews and DUI arrests

Personally I activated it every time I transported someone


As far as the camera being on at an accident, it would depend.
.I would suspect that their Emergency lights were on, but I have no idea how there cameras were set up to acticlvate, and I have no idea of knowing whether the vehicles were positioned to see anything even if they were on.

As far as me, lots of times at accident I didn't turn my overheads on, usually just my rear flashers, and usually if I did turn them on it wasn't by the pursuit switch which would also activate wig wags and every other flasher on the vehicle...that simply wasn't needed for most accident scenes in which the lights were more of a visual alcautionary aid than anything.

It was mentioned the bull was agitated. Depending on how "agitated" it was that shot placement to the brain might not be so easy, especially at night and if it was a dark bull. A 9mm to the face/nose/jaw/neck is going to make for an unhappy bull.

Your rational and detailed explanations are not helpful.

I had a untorunate opportunity to put down a handful of both cows and horses, if the situation allowed I opted for a shotgun and slug for the reason you outlined...that sometimes the handgun was the best choice for the situation

Well you know what they say about assuming