Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Idaho rancher killed by deputies over a wounded bull.

A few years back we had a bull escape from a cattle market in a small rural town. The animal went a balistic and could not be caught up safely, so the police were called and they responded with an Armed Response Unit.

One or more LEO's then shot the animal over a dozen times with their 9mm MP5's. This went on for several minutes with the bull charging about the place before it finally fell.

As you say, shot placement is everything..

Sometimes it's good to put a face on those deceased and nearly deceased do to unusual circumstances like this.

Jack's wife is doing much better and supposed to get out of the hospital this weekend after 3-stents..


RIP Jack...



Jack was a lumberjack for most of his life as well as a rodeo cowboy and rancher. Jack was loved by everyone that knew him. He was good hearted, down to earth and would have done anything for anybody.

Yep. Typical 9mm police load is a hollowpoint, which will probably not have great penetration on a bull muscle.

Head shots or spine shots would work, but a bit difficult if it is running around, and if you miss, that round has to go somewhere.

So lots of shots to the chest where they won't over-penetrate kind of makes sense.

RIP. Prayer sent. Salt of the earth family.

i killed a 900# Santa Gertrudis steer i hit with my car, shot it in the eye (at night)with a 22 rifle then called the sheriff and told him i wanted the steer.

No, it doesn't make any sense at all.

I wonder if the bull became agitated and posed a threat to the "first responders" before, or after, the Deputies shot him with handguns, if, in fact, the reports that they did that are true.

i could see that happening.

Don't forget that it had already been bit by a vehicle, so it was likely to be agitated to start with..If the bull was then wounded again, its mood was not likely to improve.

I am sure the bull was pissed before they screwed with him. Subarus are not good things to wack bulls with, a Kenworth does a better job. I can picture the cops rushing to him to put him down, which pissed him off more. Lots of times it is better to leave them be till you have something better than a rock to put them down. Bulls can take a lot of abuse and dea out a lot.

I've seen those HEAVY, and razor sharp pointed trocars BEND on bullhide, and have helped a vet use a big rawhide mallet to get one of the things between a bull's ribs.



with 9 mm hollow points ?

.....having a hard time believing I just read that.

real head shaker, that one.

GTC

Sometimes you have to improvise with what you are equipped with, at the time. Not ideal, but probably not an option to say, "wait here" while I drive back to the station and get something different and more suited to the job.


(But maybe you and I should just mosey on down to the Pointless Arguments and Insult thread, cuz I think I see where this is going)

a friend of my dad hit a bull going over 70 in a triumph sport car down near Rivera beach (kingsvilleTX) back in the 70s (navy guy) lived to talk about it.

you know not of what you speak.

I've seen many cattle of all sizes (including bulls) butchered in my life. The first step of the process was a shot between the eyes with a 22lr. They all fell over and quivered a little before they were drug over to the hoist.

Were any of them running around in a town when you shot them between the eyes?

Improvise ?

Mister, you don't know a bull from your behind, and I seriously doubt you've ever shot or BUTCHERED one.



The fact that the Two deputies only had 9mm handguns in their units or immediately available while working in that particular area's a bit of a head shaker, too. Like they didn't have the first clue at what can be encountered there , by way of livestock and native wildlife.

"pointless",.....ya' know, that's a better handle for you than some esoteric aircraft designator....

....suits ya'.

GTC

with 9 mm hollow points ?

.....having a hard time believing I just read that.

real head shaker, that one.

GTC [/quote]

Sometimes you have to improvise with what you are equipped with, at the time. Not ideal, but probably not an option to say, "wait here" while I drive back to the station and get something different and more suited to the job.


(But maybe you and I should just step out into the Pointless Arguments and Insult thread, cuz I think I see where this is going)



[/quote]you not of what you speak. [/quote]

I've seen many cattle of all sizes (including bulls) butchered in my life. The first step of the process was a shot between the eyes with a 22lr. They all fell over and quivered a little before they were drug over to the hoist. [/quote]

Were any of them running around in a town when you shot them between the eyes? [/quote]



the one i shot was

You get it.

Just read both deputies were wearing body cameras.

If those were off as well, they need an azz beating just on general principle .