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Contrary to some "experts" there is no national hiring standard or"type". If an AO has a problem with schit cops than that AO has to clean it's process......

WSP has good troopers and a good reputation their problem is they don't pay as well as municipal cops.

While paying a livable wage is of course critical, studies in education have shown that it ain't money that motivates good teachers. Hardly surprising when you consider how few go into teaching for the money. What motivates good teachers is an innate sense of satisfaction from a job well done, and tbe freedom in the classroom to do that job.

I expect you could draw parallels with good Cops.

Birdwatcher

The only thing I have to add here is that the LEO should be trained to put a cripple down, Ive put dozens of ton cancer eyed Hereford Bulls down with a single shot from a .218BEE, 46 gr HP, you draw a cross( or imagine) horn to opposite eye a cross more or less ( center X marks the spot) and put the bullet in flat, not at an angle that can deflect. each and every one went down like a sack of cowfeed! If a rear shot is all you have you brainstem the beast, sounds like these guys were just plain trigger happy and had a pack mentally.... very sad, my heart goes out for this rancher and his family!Im the first to admit we need law but none of this story is adding up!!!! very best winpoor

Thanks logcutter. Glad to hear they have Mr. Spence, they're in good hands.

While paying a livable wage is of course critical, studies in education have shown that it ain't money that motivates good teachers. Hardly surprising when you consider how few go into teaching for the money. What motivates good teachers is an innate sense of satisfaction from a job well done, and tbe freedom in the classroom to do that job.

I expect you could draw parallels with good Cops.

Birdwatcher

That's why you start, but not why you stay. I could take half as many cops, pay them twice as much, do an infinitely better job and still save the public 50% by reduced equipment and benefit costs. But government doesn't work that way.

The guy makes a living getting the facts and proceeding from there - and therefore the family is in good hands?

You can "study" all you want, but the facts are that where you have higher paid teachers you have higher achievement.

You can "study" all you want, but the facts are that where you have higher paid teachers you have higher achievement. The correlation is not necessarily one-to-one but it is there nonetheless. It is also a lot more objective than surveys querying teachers about their own motivation.

That said, a lot of this stuff came about after Clinton demanded more cops on the street and got them. This was right after he got elected bragging about how he'd taken on the NRA in Arkansas...and won. Also about the time the AWB passed, etc.

You also had the Rodney King riots which cause a lot of bad things to happen. Many times when bad things happen the response will be a sort of duality where two opposing sides and their respective philosophies BOTH get what they want as opposed to one winning and the other losing. In that case it was both appeasement of a minority by rewarding lawbreakers for doing what they do while at the same time militarizing the police that the decent people from that minority saw as causing the problem.

You see the same thing in the schools when a normal problem happens and a group which has been advocating for change suddenly either comes into power or is empowered and has the opportunity to make the changes they want. Those changes fail miserably and two years later (which is almost at the same time in terms of organizations) their opposing numbers get empowered to change things the other way. You never go back to where you were.

Getting back to the issue...an area with 4000 population and probably no tax base to speak of, if it's like around here, doesn't have the money to pay for higher salaries. So unless you want to take more money from the state or Feds, neither of which has it, then you adjust in places other than salary.

"Vetting" is not gonna work. If anything, cops are over-vetted now. It is identical to problems in the schools. Your schools and police are reflections of your community regardless of whether in this case, those cops were hired locally or from Cali or wherever. You elect people from your community and they call the shots. That is where you have your say and that is where you are usually [bleep]. Most community leaders are out for themselves NOT to serve their community. You can't expect people like that to hire good people either to teach or police. And if good people are hired, how can you trust scumbags to retain them or pay them more even if the money is available. You think the excellent teacher who doesn't give the school board member's kid A's is gonna get rehired next year? Same with the cop who pulls the County Commissioner over and hauls his ass to the calabozo for DUI. In bigger venues, things are not necessarily better, they are just on a bigger level with more visibility and scrutiny. So sometimes you have less of this but it still goes on.

As soon as a good person gets elected to one of these boards, they have longtime board members both sucking up to them and at the same time, bullying them to go along to get along. And if a person has no allies on a board, how will they do anything but cast protest votes all the time? In the case of small town police, these communities are frickin' BROKEASSED! What is a source of revenue? The new highway running through the edge of town, not arresting the Mayor's forty-year-old Meth dealing son. When you can't be a "real" cop by kicking ass on real problems and all you get to do is be a freak on a leash writing tickets to anybody with out-of-county tags, then your attention turns to the harmless pot-head who moved in from the city or some local yokel whose goats keep eating the Town Councilmen's petunias.

More militarized cops who see all the public as lawbreakers deserving of punishment to one degree or another, just isn't the answer, regardless of pay, vetting or what-have-you.

It ain't my studies, but published ones.

I will say that the best predictor of student achievement is how much money the parents make. Generally speaking, in America how much money you make reflects how much emphasis you put on education. Maybe better paying districts got a wealthier population and hence more educated parents.

This is readily observable where I live.

Bugs the crap out of me when they persist in breaking education stats down by "race", just feed parents' income into the model and you get a much better fit, irrespective of ethnicity.

Birdwatcher

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of a lawyer's primary purpose. But if what you said is correct, why wouldn't they be in good hands?

Spence brings a name to the situation at this point in his career and life.

I never said the family wasn't in good hands.

There was an intent in my post in total. You only quoted a part.

Glad the family is well represented.

you draw a cross( or imagine) horn to opposite eye a cross more or less ( center X marks the spot) and put the bullet in flat,

The guy makes a living getting the facts and proceeding from there - and therefore the family is in good hands?

However, if a forum member even mentions getting the facts first, you call his wife a cow and denigrate them.

schizophrenic?



BTW, what position did you hold in the police department?

X marks the spot, that's correct. The Idaho/Adam's County depooties who couldn't/wouldn't do the right thing should be whipped to death for their incompetence.