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Besides the wife and nephew, how many civilians are claiming they had eyes on the rancher at the very moment he was shot?
Call the Sheriff and ask him. No, I'm not going to call him. If you don't know, that's fine.
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Since more cops are supposed to be good than bad, why didn't the other cop on the scene immediately arrest that slapping cop on multiple serious charges? slapping is a serious charge? There's a pretty good chance that if the kid had slapped the cop the way the cop slapped him, the cop would have pulled his weapon and killed him. You can assess the seriousness of the situation yourself.
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I wasn't trying to be a smartass. It's just that over the course of this thread, concern has shifted to the lack of transparency on the part of the authorities.
"Nobody knows" would ave been a better answer.
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Neat story, but they can use obvious signs to determine whether treatment t is warranted. It's not there call..Period..Maybe where you live but not here! Since you like my sttories here is another that just happened up the clearwater river above Headquarters at a forest service work station in the boonies.. The call came in to the EMT's..They arrived and the victim appeared to be dead and radioed for advice on procedure.First reply was start protocol life saving techniques etc then the supervisor contacted an MD in Orofino and they did the check list of determining if he was dead via radio..Once and only once they went through the steps provided by the MD were they able to stop life saving efforts and even then,the victom was not pronounced dead until at the hospital.. So,the deputies on scene had the obligation to proceed with life saving techniques until a qualified person could make the call..They did not do that as they did not put the bull out of commission to stop suffering... Jack and the bull lied there dieing on the pavement without any effort to save Jack or euthanize(the bull) even though it was requested by the family/owners .
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Neat story, but they can use obvious signs to determine whether treatment t is warranted. It's not there call..Period..Maybe where you live but not here! Since you like my sttories here is another that just happened up the clearwater river above Headquarters at a forest service work station in the boonies.. The call came in to the EMT's..They arrived and the victim appeared to be dead and radioed for advice on procedure.First reply was start protocol life saving techniques etc then the supervisor contacted an MD in Orofino and they did the check list of determining if he was dead via radio..Once and only once they went through the steps provided by the MD were they able to stop life saving efforts and even then,the victom was not pronounced dead until at the hospital.. So,the deputies on scene had the obligation to proceed with life saving techniques until a qualified person could make the call..They did not do that as they did not put the bull out of commission to stop suffering... Jack and the bull lied there dieing on the pavement without any effort to save Jack or euthanize(the bull) even though it was requested by the family/owners . The differences is they called ad were doing as instructed by medical command. So your telling me EMT'S and medics start CPR on decapitation patients from MVAS in idaho?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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...and the one most likely to have tried to save Jack's life was handcuffed and not allowed to try.
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So your telling me EMT'S and medics start CPR on decapitation patients from MVAS in idaho? Jack wasn't decapitated..Irrelevant!
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...concern has shifted to the lack of transparency on the part of the authorities... This lack of transparency is an epidemic in not just LE, but all of .gov. Along with outright misinformation and covering up, it is what we have come to expect. Unlike justice.
"There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon
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Since more cops are supposed to be good than bad, why didn't the other cop on the scene immediately arrest that slapping cop on multiple serious charges? slapping is a serious charge? There's a pretty good chance that if the kid had slapped the cop the way the cop slapped him, the cop would have pulled his weapon and killed him. You can assess the seriousness of the situation yourself. you are basing this on: 1) your prior history of slapping cops and getting shot 2) your prior history of being a cop getting slapped 3) direct observation of cops getting slapped 4) videos on the 24hcf of cops getting slapped 5) swag. seriously, assaulting an officer is a misdemeanor in many localities. It exists because sometimes, attempted murder doesn't fit the scenario.... And, believe it or not, assaulting an officer charges far out number officer involved shootings in the real, non-campfire-internet-police-tyranny world. but we digress on tangents aimed to incite a response again. Who needs conjecture as long as we can point out all sorts of other events that aren't germane. Or Jerome, or Michael...
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I'm basing it on common sense, son. You should get yourself some.
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So your telling me EMT'S and medics start CPR on decapitation patients from MVAS in idaho? Jack wasn't decapitated..Irrelevant! Completely relavent.. as you have stated. Only docs and coroner's can pronounce. Therefore, you are in deface stating that every patient must be treated irregardless of obvious observances
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I'm basing it on common sense, son. You should get yourself some. Son? While uniformed and badged, I never shot anyone for punching me, or wrestling me to the ground, or stabbing me, or shooting at me That's my "sense". Son...
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I'm basing it on common sense, son. You should get yourself some. Son? While uniformed and badged, I never shot anyone for punching me, or wrestling me to the ground, or stabbing me, or shooting at me That's my "sense". Son... The latter is a physical impossibility on your part. The guy in the video didn't punch, wrestle to the ground, stab or shoot at the cop. He just got slapped.
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Obviously, TRH has as much right to comment on the video as someone did in posting it.
But it does take the thread off track. That's what makes it difficult to discuss a particular example of potential LEO wrongdoing into the agenda driven "us vs. them" debates of police actions.
So... all of "us" on this thread are lumped in with TRH, and all of "Y'all" are lumped in with Gitem and DINK.
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I'm basing it on common sense, son. You should get yourself some. Son? While uniformed and badged, I never shot anyone for punching me, or wrestling me to the ground, or stabbing me, or shooting at me That's my "sense". Son... The latter is a physical impossibility on your part. The guy in the video didn't punch, wrestle to the ground, stab or shoot at the cop. He just got slapped. What's a physical impossibility?
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Since more cops are supposed to be good than bad, why didn't the other cop on the scene immediately arrest that slapping cop on multiple serious charges? slapping is a serious charge? There's a pretty good chance that if the kid had slapped the cop the way the cop slapped him, the cop would have pulled his weapon and killed him. You can assess the seriousness of the situation yourself. It is assault and battery and can be a felony.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I'm basing it on common sense, son. You should get yourself some. Common sense dictates the use of deadly force for a slapping incident......? My guys and I have some catching up to do.
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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But it does take the thread off track. That's what makes it difficult to discuss a particular example of potential LEO wrongdoing into the agenda driven "us vs. them" debates of police actions. Even on track and content specific, you yourself have illiterated the future responses of campfire cops as robotic and other phrases. Why should anyone even try to discuss anything?
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Completely relavent.. as you have stated. Only docs and coroner's can pronounce. Therefore, you are in deface stating that every patient must be treated irregardless of obvious observances It is not relevant because Jack was not decapitated. Obvious to whom,that one deputy in charge?He may have thought at that time he was god but he wasn't and "Did Not" have the right to withhold medical attention to Jack or anyone or anything! There was an abundance of medical people there and one in the car got out on his own,the other had to be cut out.Both aware and talking... This was a cop grabbing a guy from behind with a loaded weapon ready to fire..Nothing but bad can come from that and he should have known that but he 'da man with the.. it's my way or the highway attitude.. I'll bet he wished he had it all to do over again now..He just plain phuucked up and he knows it...Why do you think they took him out of the county for protection and not the other deputy?????
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Since more cops are supposed to be good than bad, why didn't the other cop on the scene immediately arrest that slapping cop on multiple serious charges? slapping is a serious charge? There's a pretty good chance that if the kid had slapped the cop the way the cop slapped him, the cop would have pulled his weapon and killed him. You can assess the seriousness of the situation yourself. It is assault and battery and can be a felony. It certainly could be. Could also be a lot less. I've had to entertain a lot of people that were simply pissed and took a swing at me - some even hit me. But in my heart of hearts I judged their intent to be minor. Why would I charge them with a felony, or shoot them?
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