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Do YOU sign the death certificate?
If not, who does?
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It is the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt, not the burden of the defendant to prove their innocence.
quit it. Yes, sir! ETA: I hope you enjoyed that beer yesterday!
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In the absence of police cam video is there any unrelated, independent witness statements or video?
What about the driver/passengers of the Subaru that collided with the bull? Nobody has heard from them, to my knowledge.
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MA---We can withhold resuscitation in obvious situations but an EMT cannot "call it" baring inability to continue. As far a an LEO cross trained as a paramedic....well you're just trying to play games.
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Mallard---I understand that EMTs in other locations can do different things hence my qualifying "around here". I don't understand your insecurities other than arguing for the sake of arguing.
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"Actually fellow, the whole thing is about halfwits jumping to conclusions with not a single solitary piece of evidence other than hearsay."
That's not exactly true. A corpse is pretty solid evidence of a homicide when it's riddled with bullet holes.
Unless someone wants to introduce another actor with a firearm, there is pretty solid evidence that the two Deputes are responsible for the homicide.
Now..... THEY should be the ones to provide evidence that it was a "justified" homicide.
Do you disagree?
I do. It is the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt, not the burden of the defendant to prove their innocence. I'm pretty sure that we all know that's so, ONCE CHARGES ARE FILED. Right now, we are in the court of public opinion, and different rules apply. I don't recall any of you complaining when the Muslim Major at Ft. Hood was pronounced guilty, right here, in the court of public opinion. Some of you were the quickest to reach a verdict. Am I classing these two deputies with a muslim terrorist? No.... a muslim terrorist is killing people for an ideal... not from ego. In his own warped way, he is living up to a trust, not betraying one.
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It is the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt, not the burden of the defendant to prove their innocence.
quit it. Yes, sir! ETA: I hope you enjoyed that beer yesterday! J, are you trying to bring logic and reason to a closely debated topic AGAIN?  Better to go see what "choices" we have in another thread.  Geno PS, hope all is well.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Just for Mallardaddicts sake I want to be clear that I've never performed artificial respiration on anyone that's been decapitated.
Mallard---Can your EMTs start IVs and administer meds?
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"Actually fellow, the whole thing is about halfwits jumping to conclusions with not a single solitary piece of evidence other than hearsay."
That's not exactly true. A corpse is pretty solid evidence of a homicide when it's riddled with bullet holes.
Unless someone wants to introduce another actor with a firearm, there is pretty solid evidence that the two Deputes are responsible for the homicide.
Now..... THEY should be the ones to provide evidence that it was a "justified" homicide.
Do you disagree?
I do. It is the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt, not the burden of the defendant to prove their innocence. I'm pretty sure that we all know that's so, ONCE CHARGES ARE FILED. Right now, we are in the court of public opinion, and different rules apply. I don't recall any of you complaining when the Muslim Major at Ft. Hood was pronounced guilty, right here, in the court of public opinion. Some of you were the quickest to reach a verdict. Am I classing these two deputies with a muslim terrorist? No.... a muslim terrorist is killing people for an ideal... not from ego. In his own warped way, he is living up to a trust, not betraying one. Talk about warped...now, you are defending yourself by saying charges need to be filed? The judicial system must work? Would you want to be "tried in the court of public opinion?" I wouldn't. I would hope the investigation was thorough and objective. Then, with that investigation, I could have a trial (if indicted) where my Constitutional rights were protected from the "court of public opinion."
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When you shoot somebody you have the obligation to render aid if they are still alive. Whether the deputies allowed the EMT's access or they did it themselves, the obligation was still there. Certainly if you as a citizen shoot somebody, you have an obligation to render aid unless you can't due to the wounded person still being a threat. It sounds like Yantis was totally incapacitated yet they evidently neither attempted aid themselves, or tried to get paramedics to. Nor did they allow his family to aid him. That's what the story is thus far. I'm not sure I'd argue in favor of that..... I'm not arguing. It's a known fact. If some dude breaks into your house and is raping your wife and you shoot him, you are supposed to render aid if he's not dead. Of course, if you're busy aiding your wife or if he still poses a threat to you, were you to help him, no such obligation exists. Feel free to disbelieve me and seek other sources of wisdom on this though. And where is this "known fact" a law? Not looking for the typical EthanEdwards smart-arse remark; looking for you to cite section and code. I just want to know where it clearly states that if I shoot someone in my house, that I'm legally REQUIRED to render aid.
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It is the burden of the prosecutor to prove guilt, not the burden of the defendant to prove their innocence.
quit it. Yes, sir! ETA: I hope you enjoyed that beer yesterday! J, are you trying to bring logic and reason to a closely debated topic AGAIN? Better to go see what "choices" we have in another thread. Geno PS, hope all is well. Geno, Sometimes, I guess I try, but often fail. Seems my time is best spent relegated to the basement... Good commentary down there! Regards
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"Talk about warped...now, you are defending yourself by saying charges need to be filed? The judicial system must work?
Would you want to be "tried in the court of public opinion?" I wouldn't. I would hope the investigation was thorough and objective. Then, with that investigation, I could have a trial (if indicted) where my Constitutional rights were protected from the "court of public opinion."
You are being purposely obtuse.
The only Constitutional Right being threatened on this thread is the First Amendment Right to free speech if the cops on here had their way.
I know it must be frustrating to cops to transition from the real world - where you can demand that a man shut up, and hurt him if he doesn't - to the cyber world where you are powerless over anyone else.
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Yes and a city police officer cannot arrest a county sheriff.
You boys sure have some strange laws.
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Now, isn't THAT interesting...... The Fibbies don't trust the ISP, either.....?
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It appears they got tired of waiting on ISP also. Does anyone suspect Spence's hand in THIS turn of events?
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Yes and a city police officer cannot arrest a county sheriff.
You boys sure have some strange laws. In Arkansas, the Coroner is the only one can arrest the Sheriff. I've been told that only a Constable can serve papers on the sheriff here. We have had three Sheriffs arrested in adjoining Counties [and ours is sweatin' it] over the span of several years and it was Texas Rangers that arrested them.
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Yes and a city police officer cannot arrest a county sheriff.
You boys sure have some strange laws. Probably heard that around the table in cell block four last time he was in. It'd be interesting to start a side pot and wager on who's spent more on jailhouse commissary, Curdog or Jayco?
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Yes and a city police officer cannot arrest a county sheriff.
You boys sure have some strange laws. In Texas, anyone can arrest anyone. The only power cops have in an arrest is that they can do it with a warrant. Non-Cops can't serve a warrant.
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Jayco's the county lock up push-up and bench-press champ, we already know that.
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