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Here, I am mandated to disclose anything in a file that would impeach an officer's credibility to the defense.

If you were charged, the State would absolutely have your records and could ABSOLUTELY NOT utilize them in the course of the trial (*assumption based on our standards*). Upon conviction, however, a past history of CONVICTION for a similar offense is relevant to sentencing.

George

"Mr. Yantis, this is the Sheriff's Dept. One of your bulls has been hit by a car down here on the highway in front of your house. Some people are hurt. We've got our hands full getting them to the hospital. I'd appreciate it if you'd come down here, put the bull down and take it away from the scene. It's hurt pretty bad and is getting in the way.

I appreciate it"

Handled like that, the situation is over with.

It's what you do if you're trying to defend the indefensible.

"Wait on the facts" is about worn out on this thread.

The Atty. General ain't hossin' to have to tell the family and friends, along with concerned citizens, that he is not going to prosecute these two cowardly thugs.

We may be here awhile.

Gene, forgive me, but this one is likely to go long......

Let's take similar offenses.... an assault for an LEO and "regular" citizen.

John Smith has been investigated for 3 assaults, but not arrested. Let's say "false reports" on two and lack of evidence on the third. Bare with me and assume he's a "local" and all are handled by "my" agency. He's arrested and going to trial. None of those investigation can be (nor should they be) admitted.

Off. Smith has been investigated for three assaults (use of force on duty). Two were found to be "false reports" and one was ruled out on lack of evidence. Same/same......should those be admissible?

The major difference...... On the two "false reports" for John Smith, the reporting party is getting arrested. Cleared false reports with an officer, around here at least,........not gonna happen.

George

If we're going to be waiting, I'll hold out until you find me doing either of those.....

There are ways that you could (foolishly) make it possible for a prosecutor to present that information to a jury.

For the record....full disclosure..... I don't do juries.

If I was charged with spousal abuse, the state could find an ex wife to testify against me.[hypothetical, of course]

If a cop is charged with abuse of authority on his present job, shouldn't the records of his past jobs be open for inspection?

THAT'S as close to apples and apples as I can get.

Gene....in your hypothetical I'm assuming that the "ex" is going to be used to testify in regards to past abuse. If so, that's character evidence and is inadmissible by the prosecutor. If a defense attorney REALLY screws up and "opens the door" he might be able to get it in later. If so, blame the hypothetical lawyer.

So, apples to apples, personnel file open during trial?

His fellow blue liners can testify how many baton hits it took to subdue the perp after his head was split opne.

Don't know about Texas, but let's keep this general.

You're charged with domestic battery of your second wife. You were previously convicted of domestic battery of your first wife.

In any state I know about, the prosecutor would NOT be allowed to let the jury know about the first conviction, and if the prosecutor DID let them know, even accidentally, say though the careless testimony of a non-very-bright investigating officer, that would be grounds for mistrial, or reversal by a court of appeals. Your first wife would not be allowed to testify ... UNLESS ...

And this is why your first wife would be patiently waiting in the corridor ... for just this very moment ... (Just thinking about this makes me smile.) If you were to be STUPID enough to take the stand in your defense and say, in front of the jury, something like "I'm just not the kind of person who would beat up a woman."

I live for moments like this. You just made your character an issue in your trial, and - details will vary, state-to-state - up walks your first wife, past the defense table, hiding a little smirk on her face and she takes the stand and says to the jury, "Well, he purely beat the hell out of me!"

Beat you to it this time.....

We're even for the evening.

Fair enough, though your explanation was laid out better.

That's the difference between a real prosecutor and a cop filling the role in District Court.

Thanks. I suspect you do pretty good, yourself.

I don't know how the Dispatcher worded it, but that sounds pretty close to how it was done, save for your last sentence. Your first two paragraphs occurred and instead of the last paragraph, the cops shot Mr. Yantis when he arrived to do what the Dispatcher requested.

It is infact true..He was hired as a part time Marine officer then went full time in Sept of 2013 after being let go at the MPD.

One last time.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, I know what AI bulls are worth. I also know what it takes for a bull to reach that level. I have personally bought, at auction, bulls that ended up in an AI stud. I have worked many bulls that ended up standing at stud including one of the all-time high sellers in the Angus breed. You obviously know nothing about the subject matter. Quit embarrassing yourself and talking out your bunghole. Your assumption would be akin to me saying the neighbors 98 Toyota pickup that was destroyed by a vandal is as valuable as Jeff Gordon's Nascar race car.

Of course I know nothing about AI Bulls that's why I asked about the value of one.

Another question. If the rancher was into progressive ranching why would he keep a bull that had no potential in becoming a top notch bull?



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it was raised from a calf and was like a pet.